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    Seems to me that Reds don’t have a great balance of hitters and pitchers in top tier of prospects. The emphasis right now is heavily on the position guys.

    This is a change from the Greene/Lodolo minor league years. These things happen with promotions and trades. Hard to maintain the balance when you’re looking for the best guys regardless of position. Understandable.

    I’d like to see Reds add a couple of high level pitching prospects in the next round of drafting/Int’l/trades.


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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Seems to me that Reds don’t have a great balance of hitters and pitchers in top tier of prospects. The emphasis right now is heavily on the position guys.

    This is a change from the Greene/Lodolo minor league years. These things happen with promotions and trades. Hard to maintain the balance when you’re looking for the best guys regardless of position. Understandable.

    I’d like to see Reds add a couple of high level pitching prospects in the next round of drafting/Int’l/trades.
    Yeah, I’d be more worried if they hadn’t just graduated 3 pitchers that look pretty dang good at the MLB level. They also have a fair amount of arm talent in the minors despite the results. They need one or two to step up from the group of Stoudt, Williamson, Petty, and Phillips and put together a solid 2023 from a results standpoint. Could also pick up another fast moving college arm similar to Lodolo with where they will likely be picking in the 2023 draft.

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Seems to me that Reds don’t have a great balance of hitters and pitchers in top tier of prospects. The emphasis right now is heavily on the position guys.

    This is a change from the Greene/Lodolo minor league years. These things happen with promotions and trades. Hard to maintain the balance when you’re looking for the best guys regardless of position. Understandable.

    I’d like to see Reds add a couple of high level pitching prospects in the next round of drafting/Int’l/trades.
    It appears imbalanced because Ashcraft moved ahead of schedule, IMO.

    Overton, Dunn, Williamson, and Stoudt can fight for a spot. Some veteran arm will almost assuredly get the other spot.

    The rotation should be fine, assuming Cincinnati actually signs a good free agent and not a scrub. (Fine in this instance does not necessarily mean good enough to compete for the playoffs. It does mean that they are good enough to get major league innings so that they might determine who to keep when they compete for the playoffs in 2024 or 2025.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    It appears imbalanced because Ashcraft moved ahead of schedule, IMO.

    Overton, Dunn, Williamson, and Stoudt can fight for a spot. Some veteran arm will almost assuredly get the other spot.

    The rotation should be fine, assuming Cincinnati actually signs a good free agent and not a scrub. (Fine in this instance does not necessarily mean good enough to compete for the playoffs. It does mean that they are good enough to get major league innings so that they might determine who to keep when they compete for the playoffs in 2024 or 2025.)
    The imbalance between position guys and pitching prospects among Reds prospects is rather clear IMO..Can’t compare current pitching prospects with EDLC, Marte, McClain, CES, Steer, Arroyo, among other position guys.

    And since the Reds’ current rotation and bullpen are works in progress, it behooves the Reds to keep adding high level pitching prospects. That should now be a priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    The imbalance between position guys and pitching prospects among Reds prospects is rather clear IMO..Can’t compare current pitching prospects with EDLC, Marte, McClain, CES, Steer, Arroyo, among other position guys.

    And since the Reds’ current rotation and bullpen are works in progress, it behooves the Reds to keep adding high level pitching prospects. That should now be a priority.
    I'm hoping they add all sorts of talent. In the rotation. In the bullpen. In the starting eight. On the bench. In the upper minor leagues. In the lower levels. In the Dominican.

    Talent anywhere and everywhere.

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I'm hoping they add all sorts of talent. In the rotation. In the bullpen. In the starting eight. On the bench. In the upper minor leagues. In the lower levels. In the Dominican.

    Talent anywhere and everywhere.
    That's the way to do it.

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Seems to me that Reds don’t have a great balance of hitters and pitchers in top tier of prospects. The emphasis right now is heavily on the position guys.

    This is a change from the Greene/Lodolo minor league years. These things happen with promotions and trades. Hard to maintain the balance when you’re looking for the best guys regardless of position. Understandable.

    I’d like to see Reds add a couple of high level pitching prospects in the next round of drafting/Int’l/trades.

    In addition to the pitchers that graduated, it’s not surprising the system is weighted toward hitters when only two out of TEN of the Reds picks in the top 75 selections of the draft in the last three years has been a pitcher, and neither of those were a top 45 selection (Roa 48th overall and Abbott 53rd overall). In addition, not one of the top 4 prospects fetched at this year’s deadline was a pitcher.

    For whatever reason (likely just pursuing the BPA) the Reds have deliberately prioritized bringing hitting talent in over pitching the last three years.
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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by Benihana View Post
    For whatever reason (likely just pursuing the BPA) the Reds have deliberately prioritized bringing hitting talent in over pitching the last three years.
    That's absolutely part of it.

    Another might be that they believe they've found a Moneyball-esque glitch in the scouting/ drafting system. Or they really believe in their top pitching prospects. Or they believe that good hitting will be more expensive to acquire than good pitching.

    I think it's a combination of all of them.

    But it's mostly just BPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    That's absolutely part of it.

    Another might be that they believe they've found a Moneyball-esque glitch in the scouting/ drafting system. Or they really believe in their top pitching prospects. Or they believe that good hitting will be more expensive to acquire than good pitching.

    I think it's a combination of all of them.

    But it's mostly just BPA.
    It could be that teaching someone to hit is harder than teaching someone with a good arm to pitch. With the exception of a gifted few, pitchers take time to develop. Perhaps the Reds now think they know how to develop pitchers. That could account for the last draft.

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Quote Originally Posted by icehole3 View Post
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    Callihan's last month looks rather solid: .275/ .348/ .525/ .873

    He's found some pop that he hadn't shown in Florida.

    As a utility guy, I could see him turn into Spencer Steer-- and that would make him very interesting, indeed.

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    Re: The Reds updated Top 30 Prospects according to MLBPipeline

    Reds scouting report on Callihan

    Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 50 | Run: 40 | Arm: 50 | Field: 45 | Overall: 45

    Callihan was thought of as one of the best pure high school hitters in the 2019 Draft class and the Reds paid him as such, more than doubling pick value in the fourth round to sign him for $1.5 million. While his pro debut that summer was rather nondescript, he was off to a good start with the bat during his full-season debut when his season ended after a month with an elbow injury that required Tommy John surgery. A 2002 return has been uneven as he’s gone up and down between Single- and High-A.

    Before getting hurt, Callihan showed off the same smooth left-handed swing that made him a coveted Draft prospect in the first place. He is capable of making hard contact and barreling up the ball, with the chance to be at least an above-average hitter with a low strikeout rate and solid approach that should allow him to get to his power. He’s not a runner, but he’s maintained his excellent conditioning, even while rehabbing the elbow.

    Even before the injury, there were questions as to where Callihan fit best defensively. He did have the arm for third, but played second base exclusively in 2021 and while he was showing improvements there, he’d be a bat-over-glove type there for sure. He saw a lot of time at designated hitter in 2022, slowly working his way back to defensive play, both at second and third, with his hit tool being the one that will carry him up the ladder.

    https://www.mlb.com/prospects/reds/t...allihan-682997

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