2022/2023 MLB Offseason Thread

[kaldaniels]

Nice to see Mikey Biceps getting his.

He may come off well in Detroit and the AL Central.

[klw]

It was a bruise that hindered him the rest of the season. It was clear to anyone who watched the games.

Again, they may or may not be leaving money on the table, depending on what happens in between now and when they are free agents. Every player has to guess what is best for them. Ask Devin Meseraco if he was upset that he signed his extension.

Ex 1- Nomah !

[Roy Tucker]

Look for Art Warren to make the All Star team in 2024.

[Tom Servo]

Look for Art Warren to make the All Star team in 2024.

yeah if the Yankees made Wandy into a key piece I expect good old Art to become invaluable.

[WrongVerb]

Twins Drawing Trade Interest On Sonny Gray, Kenta Maeda

The Twins have received interest from other clubs in starting pitchers Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda, reports Dan Hayes of the Athletic. It’s not clear how open Minnesota is to moving either player, although it stands to reason they’d at least gauge the market and see if another club were willing to bowl them over with an offer.

[Chip R]

I know I am on an island here on this topic, but I disagree on this point.

It’s trendy now to say, “the Reds are the Pirates” but they really are not.

First, the Pirates project to have a $50M payroll this year. The Reds look to have at least a $70M if the add nothing, but it likely will be higher. The last few years, the Pirates have had similar payrolls, the Reds much higher. There is a significant difference between a $50M payroll and a $70M+ payroll. Many teams have been competitive with payroll like the Reds, almost no one has been successful with a payroll like the Pirates.

Second, At the MLB level, the Pirates have Reynolds and that is it. They have Cruz, but he’s unproven, and Hayes who has been disappointing. Beyond that, they have a whole lot of nothing. At the MLB level, the Reds have Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft, Diaz, India and Stephenson. That is a strong core of young, cheap players with many years of team control, something that the Pirates don’t have.

The difference between the Reds and the Bucs is that the Bucs don't have a Joey Votto contract. Replace Votto's salary with the average MLB salary and they are neck and neck payroll wise.

[757690]

The difference between the Reds and the Bucs is that the Bucs don't have a Joey Votto contract. Replace Votto's salary with the average MLB salary and they are neck and neck payroll wise.

Also the Moose contract.

I addressed this already. First, that reveals that the Reds have spent money in the past, just a few years ago with Moose. The Pirates have been too cheap for too long to ever have a contract like that on their books. That’s a meaningful difference.

Second, and more importantly, the Reds could easily get rid of Votto’s and Moose’s contract. Just add EDLC, or Marte, or Greene, or Lodolo, or other young players, and teams would line up to take Votto’s and Moose’s contract. But they aren’t doing that. That reveals a certain level of commitment to winning by the Reds. They could be like the Pirates in that way, but are choosing not to.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Syndergaard to the Dodgers. 1 year deal, $13MM with $1.5MM in incentives

That's a great deal for the Dodgers, IMO.

[MoneyInTheBank]

Second, and more importantly, the Reds could easily get rid of Votto’s and Moose’s contract. Just add EDLC, or Marte, or Greene, or Lodolo, or other young players, and teams would line up to take Votto’s and Moose’s contract. But they aren’t doing that. That reveals a certain level of commitment to winning by the Reds. They could be like the Pirates in that way, but are choosing not to.

This is one of my favorite takes of all time

[757690]

This is one of my favorite takes of all time

Numerous posters continue to post that the Reds have zero commitment to winning, that they are only concerned with taking in as much money as possible.

This “take” 100% disproves that. It’s not saying much, but it shows that the Reds do care somewhat about winning, and are not only concerned with profit taking. As I posted earlier, the Reds easily could have a payroll of around $30-40M. They are choosing not to. There is some level, no matter how small, to winning at the expense of profit taking.

[HokieRed]

That's a great deal for the Dodgers, IMO.

Agree. Especially the one year part.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Numerous posters continue to post that the Reds have zero commitment to winning, that they are only concerned with taking in as much money as possible.

This “take” 100% disproves that.

It just disproves that the Reds couldn't get other teams to make a trade, man, but peddle more of that Castellini water, 75. Then tell us you're not. But this time, try and do it a bit more convincingly.

The Reds haven't dealt Votto because they know he sells tickets and merchandise enough so that he largely pays for enough of his salary to keep them in the black.

They haven't dealt Moustakas because it would take EDLC and more for another team to take him. They have realized there is a breaking point for fans-- and perhaps the league itself to step in.

It has nothing to do with "competing." Get that crap outta here. Pronto.

[MoneyInTheBank]

Numerous posters continue to post that the Reds have zero commitment to winning, that they are only concerned with taking in as much money as possible.

This “take” 100% disproves that. It’s not saying much, but it shows that the Reds do care somewhat about winning, and are not only concerned with profit taking. As I posted earlier, the Reds easily could have a payroll of around $30-40M. They are choosing not to. There is some level, no matter how small, to winning at the expense of profit taking.

I'm being serious. This is why I love it so much. It's the thrill of winning the debate. It's cornering the opposition with the definition of "trying to win" rather than showing the Reds actually doing anything substantive to ACTUALLY try to win. It's next level stuff. Bravo

[LeatherPants]

Pirates and Reds are both dumpster fires and had the same record last year, and neither are trying very hard to improve anytime soon, but the Reds are better than the Pirates because they haven't traded Moose and attached a prospect to him to get it done yet, is next level stuff.

[757690]

It just disproves that the Reds couldn't get other teams to make a trade, man, but peddle more of that Castellini water, 75. Then tell us you're not. But this time, try and do it a bit more convincingly.

The Reds haven't dealt Votto because they know he sells tickets and merchandise enough so that he largely pays for enough of his salary to keep them in the black.

They haven't dealt Moustakas because it would take EDLC and more for another team to take him. They have realized there is a breaking point for fans-- and perhaps the league itself to step in.

It has nothing to do with "competing." Get that crap outta here. Pronto.

Haha, as if the Reds haven’t already reached the breaking point with fans. Phil made sure that point was reached last opening day.

Even if what you said is true about EDLC, the Reds could easily trade Moose and Votto by attaching prospects that most fans have never heard about.

Anyway, nothing I will ever post will ever convince you. You have reached the breaking point, like most Reds fans, and this anger you, and most here on Redszone have, will color every take on every Reds move.

It’s funny, people say I am exhausting, but what is exhausting for me is to read every day on this board post after post of how horrible and cheap the Reds are, no matter what the news is. I mean, there are multiple reports that the Reds are interested in Cueto, and even that move is being met with mostly anger towards the Reds ownership. It truly is exhausting.