2023 Payroll Much Lower Than $114M On Opening Day 2022

[Ron Madden]

This aggravates hell outta me and should bother every Reds Fan.

Krall has stated he has been given a little payroll flexibility this winter to make the club’s needed moves, but the Reds will be open next season with a much lower figure than the $114 million budget they had on 2022 Opening Day.

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https://www.mlb.com/news/reds-winter...s-preview-2022

[mth123]

The Reds are a joke at this point. If I wasn't an addict, I'd have quit them after 2015.

[LeatherPants]

Probably $80 million, at most, with $43 million of it going to Votto and Moose.

[Slyder]

Ownership might want to be careful, I found a lot of interesting things to do with my time than watch reds games last year. Before too long I may not even remember games are on.

[WrongVerb]

The people it's really unfair to is the young players on the Reds. India, Green, etc, work their tails off for literally years or even decades to get to this point, and they get sandbagged by an ownership group that isn't interested in competing. Pathetic.

[LeatherPants]

I really feel bad for the posters on here who will try to spin this that it's a good thing. (You know who they are).

[RedTeamGo!]

The people it's really unfair to is the young players on the Reds. India, Green, etc, work their tails off for literally years or even decades to get to this point

meh, in a couple years they can be traded to contenders while making tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of dollars. I really do not feel bad for them, its not like they are Reds fans.

The people this is unfair to is the fans.

I am at a point where I am really losing interest, and I am as die hard as they come. The ownership of this team has ruined this once proud franchise. It is just sad.

The saddest part is there is no hope with the franchise overall. We know MLB will not step in and force the team to be sold and whatnot. They allow the Pirates to be the Pirates, so of course they are going to allow what is going on with the Reds to happen. Why waste my time and money on something that it's sole purpose of existing is to make money for a dozen 70 year old men that are already ultra wealthy? I am having a hard time seeing the point.

[Ron Madden]

You'd think one of the Reds beat writers would have a one on one interview with Phil Castellini and get him to explain this Bullspit.

[UKFlounder]

I’d think that’s the last thing the Reds front office or PR guys want or would allow.

Has Phil said anything publicly since last opening day?

I don’t think so and suspect that’s no accident.

Even if the writers want it, it seems unlikely to happen

You'd think one of the Reds beat writers would have a one on one interview with Phil Castellini and get him to explain this Bullspit.

[MikeS21]

I guess from my point of view, even if the payroll were $150 million, I have absolutely no doubt that this franchise could not make wise enough baseball decisions to know how spend the money and improve the team. I don't care if the payroll is $50 million or $150 million, if you don't use it wisely, it's not going to make a difference.

The big contracts this team have passed out over the last 10 years have not panned out. Other than Joey Votto, the big money players have not just been underwhelming, but atrocious. The FA's have been bad, and the younger players who have been signed to contract extensions have not panned out. And even Votto has had some sub-par years during his big contract.

The point is that the Reds fail at choosing the right players to give big money to (ie. extending Bailey over Cueto, extending Mesoraco and Suarez, etc. and signing Moose and Shogo). I think that ownership recognizes the failures, and are gun-shy about throwing away more money at players who don't perform.

It's easy to blame Krall and the current FO folks, but this has been an ongoing systemic issue for years - long before Krall became GM. Until the Reds figure out how to be successful in making player personnel choices, money is not going to fix this franchise.

Where's the benefit of having a $150-$175 payroll, if you are always spending the money on a teamful of players, the likes of Moustakas, Shogo, Miley, and Minor?

[InsaneinthBrame]

If true this is a kick in the groin for fans. If we are rebuilding you need to start now if 2024 is the start of a competitive window.
With a 115M payroll like last year you could do some very nice moves for this year and for competitive window. You go get long term assets like Arozarena (Rays) 4 years of control and Lopez (Marlins) extend him Indians have pitch available for trade. thinking a Sonny Gray deal type move
Like others have said if we lose 90-100 this year it is hard to expect to compete in 2024

All cutting of payroll is just putting money in owners pockets. MLB had record revenue this year it returned to pre covid numbers. It is expected to be around 11 billion. Because of revenue sharing 48% of lost Reds attendence revenue is made up by the revenue sharing check. The cut in payroll is way higher than loss in local revenue

[Kc61]

Probably $80 million, at most, with $43 million of it going to Votto and Moose.

Agree with this estimate. Spotrac projects current payroll would be $71.37 million (based on estimated arb and pre-arb salaries). I could see Reds signing a couple of pitchers to get in the $80 million range.

Then, anything more, I’d expect minor league contracts with ST invites.

The interesting question is what happens in 2024 when the $43 million for Votto and Moose are off the books. How low will the payroll go?

[InsaneinthBrame]

Agree with this estimate. Spotrac projects current payroll would be $71.37 million (based on estimated arb and pre-arb salaries). I could see Reds signing a couple of pitchers to get in the $80 million range.

Then, anything more, I’d expect minor league contracts with ST invites.

The interesting question is what happens in 2024 when the $43 million for Votto and Moose are off the books. How low will the payroll go?

They go full Pirates.

[Slyder]

As I've said before Baseball needs to really consider relegation. If a front office can't afford to be a major league franchise, then they shouldn't be. Let whoever wins AAA title take over for Cincinnati, Oakland, and/or Pittsburgh.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I guess from my point of view, even if the payroll were $150 million, I have absolutely no doubt that this franchise could not make wise enough baseball decisions to know how spend the money and improve the team. I don't care if the payroll is $50 million or $150 million, if you don't use it wisely, it's not going to make a difference.

Nah.

At this point, it's relatively easy to add wins with millions.

They might not compete for the pennant at $150M, but they'd be much more competitive with, say, Trea Turner and Noah Syndergaard. (Which they could afford with that payroll.)