It's not PR-- it's the actions that are reprehensible.
It's not PR-- it's the actions that are reprehensible.
REDREAD (12-02-2022)
These are better actions than the ones this team took in 2015-19. Very similar actions to the ones that the Brewers, Guardians, Rays, and any other rebuilding team take.
It’s the PR that is making everyone hate the team. There are ways to sell a rebuild to the fans. Tell them they have no other options is not one of those ways.
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This organization is rudderless. From top to bottom. They have done nothing but flail in every attempt to act. Why on earth should we trust this same ownership group to figure out what they’ve been godawful at for 15 years?
But yeah, it’s probably just the mouthpieces of the organization.
“And when finally they sense that some position cannot be sustained, they do not re-examine their ideas. Instead, they simply change the subject.” Jamie Galbraith
REDREAD (12-02-2022)
They have executed a classic rebuild. They have moved all the big contracts that they could. They have re-stocked the farm system to being one of the top 5 in MLB, mostly through excellent trades. They have become significantly younger at the MLB level. They have created a massive amount of payflex for 2024 and beyond.
It’s hard to find a rebuild in recent history that has been so well executed. The Reds are in the perfect position to become competitive for years. The question is if they can continue and do the hard part, which is to build a competitive team from this position. All the pieces are there, if they fail, they will have no one else but themselves to blame.
Their biggest problem is that on opening day last year, the owner told the fans to go “f” themselves. So from now on, it doesn’t matter what they do, everyone is going to hate it and continue to hate this team.
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Old school 1983 (12-01-2022)
What should trouble ownership the most is I DON'T CARE. Outside of Marge's ownership years, I made a trek back from Montana every year to catch a couple games. Not the last two tears and I won't change my mind until ownership either sells or act like they care.
When they lose a diehard fan like me, they're In trouble.
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alwaysawarrior (12-19-2022),cumberlandreds (12-02-2022),Falls City Beer (12-01-2022),REDREAD (12-02-2022),Roy Tucker (12-01-2022)
Nope.
They chose to trade an All-Star for prospects. Twice. Three times, if you count Eugenio Suarez. They chose to release Miley. They chose to deal Gray.
This despite the fact that they had the cash they could have spent to make that team competitive.
On top of that, this off-season, they've further made their team worse despite the fact that tanking for better draft picks is much more circumspect than before the latest CBA.
In short, you assume these are baseball moves, and it's obvious that they're not. They don't care about baseball. They don't care about the team they own. And they damn sure don't care about the fans. These are moves to make ownership more money.
Again, reprehensible.
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This is perhaps the most egregiously bad take ever written on this site.
REDREAD (12-02-2022),Ron Madden (12-01-2022)
What’s fascinating about this post is that this exactly describes what the Reds did in 2015. Except in 2015, they didn’t even try to get good prospects in return. Those trades were disasters from the second they were made. At least in this rebuild, the Reds acquired top tier prospects during it.
In other words, these are better actions than the one the team took in 2015.
Hoping to change my username to 75769023
Lick the lollipop of mediocrity once and you suck forever.
Sigh.
No.
Again.
This is not a baseball decision. It's a fiscal one.
With Disney, media rights, revenue sharing, and other assorted revenues, the Reds have much more capital now than they did in 2015. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M more. The 2015 salaries were largely the same as they are now-- which means today's baseball dollar goes farther. The Reds, then, have more money to buy more player in order to compete... if they want.
They choose not to.
It is not, however much you try to make it, a baseball decision. The Reds are not doing this to make their team better in the future. This is not, as much as you try to frame it, "rebuilding." They're doing this to make money now and in the future. The plan is to milk as much as possible from John Q. Public in any way possible, cry poor, and get more. Perpetually.
LeatherPants (12-02-2022),REDREAD (12-02-2022)
All rebuilds are both financial and baseball decisions.
If one were to look at the Reds’ actions objectively, and the result of these actions, without ever hearing what Phil and the front office said about them, it’s easy to see the baseball side of them. If one also heard what Phil and the front office said about them, it’s easy to only see the business side of them and ignore the baseball side of them.
Hoping to change my username to 75769023
Well said. They're part and parcel to this. The players aren't on the Reds because they love the Reds. They're there to make a paycheck, and they'll happily go somewhere else to make more. If Votto hadn't signed that last contract he would have done it on some other team.
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Why can't MLB have something in place like the NFL? I'd much rather have parity than never be able to compete.
"He reminds me of me when I was that age -- the way he plays the game, I mean," Pete Rose talking about Chris Sabo
REDREAD (12-02-2022)
The boys and I on here deserve better.
“I don’t care,” Votto said of passing his friend and former teammate. “He’s in the past. Bye-bye, Jay.”
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