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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    MLB isn't going to offer a cap if it means them spending a billion more. Get real.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    MLB isn't going to offer a cap if it means them spending a billion more. Get real.
    It's all something that should be negotiated. If MLB balks, the players association will have a big PR point that they can use. They can say how MLB won't pony up what other leagues do. Problem is on both sides. Players don't wanna limit the Dodgers and Yankees payroll with caps and the owners don't want to give up a percentage of their revenue. When the owners' revenue gets a bump like this, all I can think of is how can the players share in some of that windfall. If teams like the Reds, Pirates and many others can continue with sub $100mill payrolls in the midst of unprecedented revenue flows then the game is broken. Competitive balance is shot. It needs to be addressed and there's plenty of money on the table to work things out for everyone

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    MLB doesn't care about competitive balance.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    MLB doesn't care about competitive balance.
    Exactly.

    And the team owners actually trying to win, are more than happy to beat up on the teams not trying win, on the way to the playoffs, all while also using them as AAAA to pluck players from, when necessary.

    And shameful team owners like the Reds are more than happy to just sit back and pocket that sweet sweet shared revenue and tv contract cash.

    MLB is broken. Each team ownership is capitalizing on it in different ways. There has never been a worse time to be a Reds fan, in the modern era. Even Lindners at least cared about butts in the seats. These jackels don't even care about that. The Reds truly have become Pittsburgh Pirates West.
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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sheed View Post
    Exactly.

    And the team owners actually trying to win, are more than happy to beat up on the teams not trying win, on the way to the playoffs, all while also using them as AAAA to pluck players from, when necessary.

    And shameful team owners like the Reds are more than happy to just sit back and pocket that sweet sweet shared revenue and tv contract cash.

    MLB is broken. Each team ownership is capitalizing on it in different ways. There has never been a worse time to be a Reds fan, in the modern era. Even Lindners at least cared about butts in the seats. These jackels don't even care about that. The Reds truly have become Pittsburgh Pirates West.
    It is the Reds that are broken not the system see Indians and Rays.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by InsaneinthBrame View Post
    It is the Reds that are broken not the system see Indians and Rays.
    Yes and no. I doubt there are enough ways to game this system to create competitiveness among all the low-payroll teams. The Indians and Rays exploit inefficiencies, but I doubt every team can do what they're doing, even if they wanted to and hired the "best minds."

    The system is broken AND the Reds don't exploit it well. There are just too many incentives to create a two, or even three tier system of haves and have nots.

    I think Bob is largely correct that we're locked into at least a two-tier system of MLB teams and AAAA teams (for lack of a better term).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinsm View Post
    MLB doesn't care about competitive balance.
    This is exactly correct. There's no incentive to.
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    As I've said before, Reds fans have the double whammy of the ownership is both cheap and incompetent. Cheap teams like the Guardians or Rays are at least competent in building a competitive team.
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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yes and no. I doubt there are enough ways to game this system to create competitiveness among all the low-payroll teams. The Indians and Rays exploit inefficiencies, but I doubt every team can do what they're doing, even if they wanted to and hired the "best minds."

    The system is broken AND the Reds don't exploit it well. There are just too many incentives to create a two, or even three tier system of haves and have nots.

    I think Bob is largely correct that we're locked into at least a two-tier system of MLB teams and AAAA teams (for lack of a better term).

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    This is exactly correct. There's no incentive to.
    The only thing I can refute about their being a two-tiered system and that our Reds are locked in to the lower tier is that there is a team a few hours to the west that seem to be able to stay in the top tier without being a top 10 metro area.
    Where we gonna go?

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Roy Tucker View Post
    As I've said before, Reds fans have the double whammy of the ownership is both cheap and incompetent. Cheap teams like the Guardians or Rays are at least competent in building a competitive team.
    We used to say that about Beane and Oakland. But that organization is pure afterthought at this point. So too will Cleveland and Tampa get left behind. Second tier teams can have great runs, but eventually the system weeds them out. Just like in college sports.
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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    The only thing I can refute about their being a two-tiered system and that our Reds are locked in to the lower tier is that there is a team a few hours to the west that seem to be able to stay in the top tier without being a top 10 metro area.
    They spend money because they've been great since the 80's (little dip in the 90's). They have primed their attendance pump. The Reds could be just like them but they now feel no incentive to, not with tv money and socialism of the wealthy that MLB has increasingly tapped into.

    I'm not saying there haven't been teams that proactively thrust themselves into a higher status of organization. I'm saying now we don't even have the incentive to do what the Cards did and have done for decades. The Reds can do absolutely nothing but assure that 27 people are on the MLB roster and utterly rake it in. Where is the incentive to improve? It doesn't exist.
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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsManRick View Post
    So, $360M per team on average. 50% of that going to player salaries would be $180M per team.
    How do you know 50% to be true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    We used to say that about Beane and Oakland. But that organization is pure afterthought at this point. So too will Cleveland and Tampa get left behind. Second tier teams can have great runs, but eventually the system weeds them out. Just like in college sports.
    Every team organization goes in cycles even the first tier. Just because you have money does not mean you are going to win or if spend money that you will win.

    Actually Beane and Oakland are in a huge metro market they just act small market.

    You have teams like LA Angels, Boston Red Sox Chicago White Sox top 10 payrolls not make playoffs last year the year before 5 of top 10 did not it.
    Mets Cubs and Angels have been poster child for awhile of being in a big market messes except for a few bright moments like (Theo Epstein time with Cubs)

    All a salary cap will do is just move money around would not change one thing about who will win or lose. The Yankees and Dodgers have better organizations they would still be on top they would be just better at spending their money. They would move bad contracts to the teams like the Pirates and Reds who are trying to reach salary floor very much like the NBA does it.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by UPRedsFan View Post
    How do you know 50% to be true?
    Because payroll paid to the players has been approximately 50% of league revenue for decades.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    I'm not saying there haven't been teams that proactively thrust themselves into a higher status of organization. I'm saying now we don't even have the incentive to do what the Cards did and have done for decades. The Reds can do absolutely nothing but assure that 27 people are on the MLB roster and utterly rake it in. Where is the incentive to improve? It doesn't exist.
    It is funny that the greater revenue sharing has actually caused the increase in the competitive balance. Before when they did not share local revenue in order to generate money you had to get attendance up. Now when attendance/local revenue falls you your check gets bigger from the league. (48% of lost revenue made up) The Reds drop in payroll is way greater than the amount of lost revenue from lost attendance.

    Rough example: a team loses 1M in attendance (average fan spends roughly $50) that is 50M in lost local revenue but that get 24M (48%) increase in revenue sharing so really they only lose 26M. But they have slashed payroll from 145M high to roughly 85M this year. So basically the team makes an extra 30M in profit by not trying.

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    Re: MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    Because payroll paid to the players has been approximately 50% of league revenue for decades.
    Ok well "average" doesn't mean 180 million applies to the Reds. Granted, 80 million is well below average payroll as compared to team revenue.


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