MLB Sets New Revenue Record, Exceeding $10.8 Billion For 2022

[HammerTime]

MLB doesn't care about competitive balance.

You are right, but there will be a time in the near future that it back fires on them.

[Bob Sheed]

You are right, but there will be a time in the near future that it back fires on them.

Doubtful.

Their bread and butter is gambling and fantasy leagues.

Old chunks of coal like me that pointlessly root for flyover state loser teams, don't factor into their decision making in the slightest.

[LeatherPants]

You are right, but there will be a time in the near future that it back fires on them.

Revenue skyrocketing every year seems to argue differently.

[HammerTime]

Doubtful.

Their bread and butter is gambling and fantasy leagues.

Old chunks of coal like me that pointlessly root for flyover state loser teams, don't factor into their decision making in the slightest.

Part of the reason the NFL has gained so much in popularity is the parity in the league. The MLB seems to be losing any semblance of parity at a quick rate. It was already a regional sport for the most part, but if you are going to consistently have your contending teams spending 4-6X the amount the bottom teams spend people are going to stop caring.

I know our owners don't care to spend and will not come close to the spending thresholds of the top teams so what is the point? The Mets are almost at 3X the league average payroll.

There is virtually no chance we turnover this roster in a quick manner and make this team a winner. It's just a series of rebuilds over and over and if you aren't willing to spend in addition to getting lucky you will never beat the teams that are willing to spend. Maybe it's just apathy setting in, but the payroll separation seems to be getting worse and it is something they should be concerned with IMO.

[HammerTime]

Revenue skyrocketing every year seems to argue differently.

When I say them I mean the group of owners that isn't willing to spend, should have clarified. Lucky for them a rising tide raises all boats... for now.

Banana Bob is seeing this play out in real time with these attendance numbers and all he has to do is act like they are trying and they can't do that.

[Falls City Beer]

Doubtful.

Their bread and butter is gambling and fantasy leagues.

Old chunks of coal like me that pointlessly root for flyover state loser teams, don't factor into their decision making in the slightest.

Precisely. We’re the Washington Generals. And will be as long as I live.

[Falls City Beer]

Every team organization goes in cycles even the first tier. Just because you have money does not mean you are going to win or if spend money that you will win.

Actually Beane and Oakland are in a huge metro market they just act small market.

You have teams like LA Angels, Boston Red Sox Chicago White Sox top 10 payrolls not make playoffs last year the year before 5 of top 10 did not it.
Mets Cubs and Angels have been poster child for awhile of being in a big market messes except for a few bright moments like (Theo Epstein time with Cubs)

All a salary cap will do is just move money around would not change one thing about who will win or lose. The Yankees and Dodgers have better organizations they would still be on top they would be just better at spending their money. They would move bad contracts to the teams like the Pirates and Reds who are trying to reach salary floor very much like the NBA does it.

I don’t know if a salary cap is the answer. I think the systemic problems probably make it unfixable. Just pray for a season of luck every 15-20 seasons. That’s what most fans with cheap owners are stuck with.

[MoneyInTheBank]

This is why the players should agree to a deal that guarantees them a percentage of those revenues. Their refusal to accept a cap with a minimum is costing them money. The average payroll last year was about $148mill. A deal that guarantees them 50% of the revenue would mean nearly a billion dollars more in the players' pockets

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/ml...47%2C873%2C965.

The players already agreed to a luxury tax, which acts as a cap to all but a small minority of teams each year. It's not the lack of a cap causing this

[Kinsm]

When I say them I mean the group of owners that isn't willing to spend, should have clarified. Lucky for them a rising tide raises all boats... for now.

Banana Bob is seeing this play out in real time with these attendance numbers and all he has to do is act like they are trying and they can't do that.

The Reds don't care about in-game attendance.

[Strikes Out Looking]

They spend money because they've been great since the 80's (little dip in the 90's). They have primed their attendance pump. The Reds could be just like them but they now feel no incentive to, not with tv money and socialism of the wealthy that MLB has increasingly tapped into.

I'm not saying there haven't been teams that proactively thrust themselves into a higher status of organization. I'm saying now we don't even have the incentive to do what the Cards did and have done for decades. The Reds can do absolutely nothing but assure that 27 people are on the MLB roster and utterly rake it in. Where is the incentive to improve? It doesn't exist.

The incentive is being a winner. I'd venture that Phil has never been a competitive athlete or even a competitive business person. He probably was an also ran in his college fraternity (I'd guess he got in because he's likely a legacy). And I think Phil's calling the shots at this point, and he's a loser every which way. Which is why the Reds are what they are. Hopefully the estate tax will help end our losing legacy at some future point.

[Falls City Beer]

The incentive is being a winner. I'd venture that Phil has never been a competitive athlete or even a competitive business person. He probably was an also ran in his college fraternity (I'd guess he got in because he's likely a legacy). And I think Phil's calling the shots at this point, and he's a loser every which way. Which is why the Reds are what they are. Hopefully the estate tax will help end our losing legacy at some future point.

I think having a committed ownership group would certainly improve things on the basis of movement and effort, but I don’t think it would lead to many more playoff appearances overall, despite it never being easier to make the postseason. I think what plagues the Reds is deeper, much deeper, than cheap suit Phil.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I think having a committed ownership group would certainly improve things on the basis of movement and effort, but I don’t think it would lead to many more playoff appearances overall, despite it never being easier to make the postseason. I think what plagues the Reds is deeper, much deeper, than cheap suit Phil.

However Phil is currently Exhibit A for Cincinnati Cheap. He follows a long line including Cheap HOF'ers Dick Wagner, Marge Schott and Carl Linder. Maybe the Reds HOF could have cheapskate alley and some of their portraits.

[TNRED]

Lets say that the Reds increase payroll 100 million a year. How much will that increase their net profit?

[Wonderful Monds]

We used to say that about Beane and Oakland. But that organization is pure afterthought at this point. So too will Cleveland and Tampa get left behind. Second tier teams can have great runs, but eventually the system weeds them out. Just like in college sports.

Yeah eventually the big spenders figure out their methods and combine them with their infinite payrolls, and the small fish get picked over.

[HammerTime]

The Reds don't care about in-game attendance.

That's just simply not true.