Rolen to HOF

[dfs]

For me he was never an "Elite" player one of the best of the bests. To me he is not a guy that you would go to the ballpark just to see him play. Nothing really stands out about him as a player. He just blends in as a player with guys like Beltre A. Ramirez,

That's a pretty high standard for the HOF. In the last 30 years the only player that I specifically went to the ballpark to see him play was Barry Bonds. Is he the only legit hall of famer in the last 30 years?

Heck, given the current selection standards I think it's doubtful he'll ever get in.

[M2]

For me he was never an "Elite" player one of the best of the bests. To me he is not a guy that you would go to the ballpark just to see him play. Nothing really stands out about him as a player. He just blends in as a player with guys like Beltre A. Ramirez,

Adrian Beltre is one of the best 3Bs in history. If you blend in with him, you're an automatic HOFer. Aramis Ramirez blends in with neither one of them. Nice bat, but lacking everything else.

[RedsBaron]

Adrian Beltre is one of the best 3Bs in history. If you blend in with him, you're an automatic HOFer. Aramis Ramirez blends in with neither one of them. Nice bat, but lacking everything else.

Beltre will probably become a first ballot HOF inductee one year from now.

[M2]

Beltre will probably become a first ballot HOF inductee one year from now.

The 3,000 hits should do it.

[westofyou]

The 3,000 hits should do it.

I'm not a big WAR guy, but he has 28 D War and sits in the same area as catchers like Molina and Gary Carter in D WAR

[757690]

Beltre also lost an MVP to Bonds and his steroid cream back in 2004, something many of the voters remember and would like to rectify.

[ShyGuy]

I'm not a big WAR guy, but he has 28 D War and sits in the same area as catchers like Molina and Gary Carter in D WAR

What is WAR good for? Absolutely nothing

[westofyou]

What is WAR good for? Absolutely nothing

WAR is an attempt to measure something that has value.

The problem is value is a variable.

I don't resent the attempt to measure stuff, I don't resent the attempt to create data out of things either.

I also don't believe (without questioning) in absolutes or formulas based on assumed variables. But I see value in ranking systems that maintain a list that is close to normal stats.

[Wonderful Monds]

Adrian Beltre is one of the best 3Bs in history. If you blend in with him, you're an automatic HOFer. Aramis Ramirez blends in with neither one of them. Nice bat, but lacking everything else.

It’s weird because I both think Beltre is a HOFer and a great and all, but when I try to process “one of the best ever 3Bs” my brain just kinda rejects it.

I mean I get that’s true and all especially with the lack of HOF 3Bmen, but there’s just some quality missing from Beltre that just doesn’t see him as an inner circle HOFer.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Adrian Beltre is one of the best 3Bs in history. If you blend in with him, you're an automatic HOFer. Aramis Ramirez blends in with neither one of them. Nice bat, but lacking everything else.

I do not think Beltre is a hall of fame either but I like him better than Rolen.

[757690]

It’s weird because I both think Beltre is a HOFer and a great and all, but when I try to process “one of the best ever 3Bs” my brain just kinda rejects it.

I mean I get that’s true and all especially with the lack of HOF 3Bmen, but there’s just some quality missing from Beltre that just doesn’t see him as an inner circle HOFer.

Maybe part of that is that he played clean (we think) during the heart of the PED era. Guys like Steve Finley were putting up unworldly numbers thanks to PED’s, while Beltre was putting up what would normally be league dominating numbers that looked average in comparison.

[InsaneinthBrame]

That's a pretty high standard for the HOF. In the last 30 years the only player that I specifically went to the ballpark to see him play was Barry Bonds. Is he the only legit hall of famer in the last 30 years?

Heck, given the current selection standards I think it's doubtful he'll ever get in.

Last 30 years have you heard of Ken griffey Jr. Miguel Cabrera Puljos trout arod arenado Judge Ortiz Jeter
Sosa McGuire those are exciting and top players in the game.

[westofyou]

I do not think Beltre is a hall of fame either but I like him better than Rolen.

He's an elite player, but the bottom of his group, still rarified air

450 HR and 600 2bs

OPS                                OPS         2B         HR    RC/G-LG   
1    Barry Bonds                 1.051        601        762       5.87   
2    Stan Musial                  .976        725        475       4.22   
3    David Ortiz                  .931        632        541       2.41   
4    Hank Aaron                   .928        624        755       3.05   
5    Albert Pujols                .919        672        679       2.43   
6    Carl Yastrzemski             .841        646        452       1.63   
7    Adrian Beltre                .819        636        477       0.79

[M2]

I do not think Beltre is a hall of fame either but I like him better than Rolen.

That's an argument for just not having a Hall of Fame. Just erect a stature of Babe Ruth somewhere and call it a day.

[M2]

It’s weird because I both think Beltre is a HOFer and a great and all, but when I try to process “one of the best ever 3Bs” my brain just kinda rejects it.

I mean I get that’s true and all especially with the lack of HOF 3Bmen, but there’s just some quality missing from Beltre that just doesn’t see him as an inner circle HOFer.

It's those five lost years in Seattle in what should have been his prime. That park ate him alive. He rebounded and became one of the best post-30 players in history, but you really have to wonder if he could have put up a few more seasons like 2004 if he had gone anywhere but Seattle.