Rolen to HOF

[Ron Madden]

Looks like the HOF is only considering two possible hats for Rolen

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Rolen was a second-round pick by the Phillies in the 1993 MLB Draft. At the age of 21, he made his big league debut with the Phillies on Aug.1, 1996 -- against one of his future clubs, the Cardinals -- and went 1-for-4.

"The highlight of my Hall of Fame career was the first day I got called up in the Major Leagues and I watched my parents walk into the stadium," Rolen said. "I choked up on the field and had a hard time finishing the inning."

One of Philadelphia's key producers, Rolen reached his first All-Star Game in 2002, a season in which he hit 31 homers.

But 2002 also proved to be his swan song with the Phillies; after informing the front office that he would not re-sign upon reaching free agency after the season, Rolen was traded to the Cardinals on July 29, 2002,

“They taught me how to play the game. My six years in Philadelphia, I wouldn’t trade for anything in the world," Rolen said. "It taught me who I was as a player and what I was going to do for them, how I was going to work no matter where I went.”

https://www.mlb.com/reds/news/scott-...o-hall-of-fame

[foster15]

I grew up in Detroit watching the Tigers battle the O's and that whole division was launch angle and BB's, the epitome of 1970's AL baseball

BS. Are you going to claim that there wasn't anymore balls put in play per game back in the 50s, 60s and 70s then there was in 1990s, 2000s and 2010s? You know damn well that's not true.

[HokieRed]

Gary Carter got in on his 6th time. You want a 3B? Eddie Mathews on his 5th. Safe to say that both clearly deserved to be in the HOF.

Believe what you'd like, but my view of him has nothing to do with him playing for the Reds. He was among the best 3B in baseball for most of his career. That's HOF-worthy.

Eddie Mathews is, IMHO, one of the most underappreciated players of all time. FWIW Glad to see him mentioned.

[M2]

And WAR was relevant for what? 1? 2 of the final years of Rolen’s career?

So what's your argument here? That a player's age 36 and 37 seasons are THE measuring stick for how we value his career?

[westofyou]

BS. Are you going to claim that there wasn't anymore balls put in play per game back in the 50s, 60s and 70s then there was in 1990s, 2000s and 2010s? You know damn well that's not true.

Yes there were more balls in play, that is true, but that fact doesn't launch Robinson into any plateau that Rolen didn't touch

Robinson as a fielder averaged 2.16 assists per game played and Rolen 2.04 per game played.

[LeatherPants]

So what's your argument here? That a player's age 36 and 37 seasons are THE measuring stick for how we value his career?

I think he’s saying that WAR wasn’t in the general conciseness for the vast majority of Rolen’s career, so he wasn’t trying to tailor his game to earn more WAR to make the Hall of Fame like the poster that you were responding to was claiming. (I think he’s agreeing with you, or at least that’s how I read it)

[westofyou]

Some of you are acting as though Rolen is Freddie Lindstrom and that's just wrong

[Roy Tucker]

I had forgotten how Rolen got to the Reds:

July 31, 2009: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Cincinnati Reds for Edwin Encarnación, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart.

He was past his prime when he got to the Reds, but he was still a great player. You could just see him grinding out the plays when the Reds needed it. Kind of like when when the Reds traded for Buddy Bell in the mid-80’s. Another pro’s pro player, the Reds had lusted after him for years. By the time they got him, he was on the backend of his career, but he still produced when he had to. Same with Rolen. Great player despite my b*tching about the 2012 NLDS.

[Wonderful Monds]

So what's your argument here? That a player's age 36 and 37 seasons are THE measuring stick for how we value his career?

No no lol, quite the opposite, just that the idea that Rolen would’ve been playing to “inflate his WAR” as accused is absurd because it basically wasn’t a thing during his career. That was definitely still math nerd BS to the actual players by the time he retired

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I think he’s saying that WAR wasn’t in the general conciseness for the vast majority of Rolen’s career, so he wasn’t trying to tailor his game to earn more WAR to make the Hall of Fame like the poster that you were responding to was claiming. (I think he’s agreeing with you, or at least that’s how I read it)

[westofyou]

MOST GAMES, ALL AT ONE POSITION, EXPANSION ERA

Ozzie Smith 2,573 at SS
Brooks Robinson 2,440 at 3B
Scott Rolen 2,038 at 3B

[JCM11]

Best moves the Reds made to turn the late 00's team into a winner was trading Dunn and Griffey and adding Rolen.

[M2]

I think he’s saying that WAR wasn’t in the general conciseness for the vast majority of Rolen’s career, so he wasn’t trying to tailor his game to earn more WAR to make the Hall of Fame like the poster that you were responding to was claiming. (I think he’s agreeing with you, or at least that’s how I read it)

That makes more sense. Morning brain got me. Wonderful, apologies for misreading that.

[cumberlandreds]

I had forgotten how Rolen got to the Reds:

July 31, 2009: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Cincinnati Reds for Edwin Encarnación, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart.

He was past his prime when he got to the Reds, but he was still a great player. You could just see him grinding out the plays when the Reds needed it. Kind of like when when the Reds traded for Buddy Bell in the mid-80’s. Another pro’s pro player, the Reds had lusted after him for years. By the time they got him, he was on the backend of his career, but he still produced when he had to. Same with Rolen. Great player despite my b*tching about the 2012 NLDS.

Rolen had a very good 2010 season. Then injuries got the best of him his last two. He brought a lot of leadership to those teams and I think the Reds missed that a lot after he retired.

[kaldaniels]

I had forgotten how Rolen got to the Reds:

July 31, 2009: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Cincinnati Reds for Edwin Encarnación, Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart.

He was past his prime when he got to the Reds, but he was still a great player. You could just see him grinding out the plays when the Reds needed it. Kind of like when when the Reds traded for Buddy Bell in the mid-80’s. Another pro’s pro player, the Reds had lusted after him for years. By the time they got him, he was on the backend of his career, but he still produced when he had to. Same with Rolen. Great player despite my b*tching about the 2012 NLDS.

Did someone say Zach Stewart? Must….resist….the urge…..

[cumberlandreds]

Did someone say Zach Stewart? Must….resist….the urge…..

I'm sure he is already in the HOF. Right?