Probably outside the top 10 but Aaron Harang made his debut in the past 40 yrs.
Probably outside the top 10 but Aaron Harang made his debut in the past 40 yrs.
“The guys we've had for the most part have been serviceable at this level.”
Edgar was a heck of a hitter. BUt if you're going 75 years out, hitters like Aaron, May, Mantle all surpass him.Originally Posted by Kingspoint
Oh good grief.Anyone suspected of PEDS doesn't qualify, btw.
...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.
For me everybody who played between 1985 and 2005 is suspected of PEDs. Either throw out the entire era or forget about them and go with what happened on the field. All those stats counted. All those PED driven HR actually helped win games, The PED using pitchers win the games they won. Picking and choosing just makes no sense IMO.
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*BaseClogger* (01-25-2023),Revering4Blue (01-26-2023)
George Brett has gotta get some consideration.
Chipper Jones and Fred Mc Griff as well
Even if it's against Greg Maddux?
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"He reminds me of me when I was that age -- the way he plays the game, I mean," Pete Rose talking about Chris Sabo
I'd definitely include Ichiro on my list. His 1st 10 years from age 27-36 are ridiculous. If he'd have started in MLB at 22-23 he'd probably own Pete's record.
Ichiro would not be anywhere near my list. His strength was a high BA but he seldom walked and did not hit for power. The clearest way to think of this is that he chief perceived strength was not power but getting on base. He only ever had an OBP above .400 once. It was .414 in 2004. This was the only season when his OBP was higher than Votto's current career OBP. Yes he had a great BA but only had 3 seasons where he was in the top 10 in the AL in OBP.
“The guys we've had for the most part have been serviceable at this level.”
*BaseClogger* (01-26-2023),RedsBaron (01-26-2023)
My top 5:
Bonds
Pujols
A-Rod
Griffey
Edgar Martinez
How that Seattle team (that also had Randy Johnson and Jay Buhner) didn't win a WS is hard to believe. It proves that it takes an entire roster over 162 games.
All my posts are my opinion - just like yours are. If I forget to state it and you're too dense to see the obvious, look here!
You're entitled to your opinion. Ichiro to me is the best contact hitter of the last 40 years. Missed less than 30 games over 10 year span, over 200 hits each, 2 batting titles, 3000 hits despite missing QST 5-6 years in MLB.
We each will have criteria we like. My list would have to include at least 1 contact hitter and Ichiro is that guy for me.
klw (01-26-2023)
Ichiro also had great value in the field and on the basepaths and I have never heard a bad word about if so were I starting a team from the era he would likely be on it and he is a simple yes for me for the HOF. For this list, however, as you said we each have a criteria we like. Now if the list is Best Players of the last 40 years ...
“The guys we've had for the most part have been serviceable at this level.”
camisadelgolf (01-27-2023)
Let's use Mark Mcguire as an example. He's a guy that's been mentioned. To me he wouldn't sniff a list like this. Neither would Sosa or Palmeiro. Stats like OPS+ , while extremely valuable, are skewed by PEDs.
I'm going to give a little extra credit to guys with elite hitting skills, high BA and OBP, and low K rates. If Gwynn were eligible he would probably take this spot for me. Guys like Gwynn, Carew, Rose, Boggs and Ichiro are definitely worthy of a list like this against their peers. It ain't all home runs and slugging
With a baseline of 7000 PA's here's the top thirty in OPS+(drop to 6K and Trout is #2) Ichiro is listed at #170, between Gregg Jeffries and Dante Bichette
Here's the list in Runs CreatedCode:Player OPS+ Barry Bonds 182 Mark McGwire 163 Frank Thomas 156 Manny Ramírez 154 Jeff Bagwell 149 Edgar Martinez 147 Jim Thome 147 Joey Votto 145 Albert Pujols 145 Lance Berkman 144 Mike Piazza 143 Miguel Cabrera 142 David Ortiz 141 Chipper Jones 141 Larry Walker 141 Álex Rodríguez 140 Gary Sheffield 140 Vladimir Guerrero 140 Freddie Freeman 140 Jason Giambi 139 Carlos Delgado 138 Will Clark 137 Brian Giles 137 Ken Griffey Jr. 136 Ryan Braun 134 Fred McGriff 134 Todd Helton 133 Tony Gwynn 132 Juan González 132
Now Ichiro hit over .310 for his career, which is pretty rare in the last 40 years for guys with 7K plus PA's, there have been 24 players with a .300 BA and 7K PA's or more since 1982, ranked by OPS+Code:Player RC PA Barry Bonds 2892 12606 Albert Pujols 2298 13041 Álex Rodríguez 2274 12207 Rafael Palmeiro 2040 12046 Manny Ramírez 2005 9774 Frank Thomas 2002 10075 Ken Griffey Jr. 1994 11304 Miguel Cabrera 1992 11426 Jim Thome 1991 10313 Chipper Jones 1965 10614 Gary Sheffield 1946 10947 Rickey Henderson 1919 11733 Derek Jeter 1910 12602 Todd Helton 1848 9453 Craig Biggio 1832 12504 David Ortiz 1832 10091 Jeff Bagwell 1788 9431 Adrián Beltré 1781 12130 Wade Boggs 1750 10740 Carlos Beltrán 1731 11031 Cal Ripken Jr. 1729 12843 Bobby Abreu 1708 10081 Fred McGriff 1704 10174 Luis Gonzalez 1641 10531 Tony Gwynn 1636 10232 Edgar Martinez 1631 8674 Vladimir Guerrero 1626 9059 Sammy Sosa 1625 9896 Larry Walker 1619 8030 Jason Giambi 1613 8908 Paul Molitor 1603 10170 Carlos Delgado 1588 8657 Johnny Damon 1587 10917 Roberto Alomar 1575 10400 Tim Raines 1571 9969 Joey Votto 1570 8504 Mark McGwire 1529 7660 Harold Baines 1515 10278 Ichiro Suzuki 1501 10734 Jeff Kent 1497 9537
Code:Player OPS+ PA BA Frank Thomas 156 10075 .301 Manny Ramírez 154 9774 .312 Edgar Martinez 147 8674 .312 Mike Piazza 143 7745 .308 Miguel Cabrera 142 11426 .308 Chipper Jones 141 10614 .303 Larry Walker 141 8030 .313 Vladimir Guerrero 140 9059 .318 Will Clark 137 8283 .303 Todd Helton 133 9453 .316 Tony Gwynn 132 10232 .338 Wade Boggs 131 10740 .328 Moises Alou 128 7913 .303 Don Mattingly 127 7722 .307 Magglio Ordóñez 125 7745 .309 Joe Mauer 124 7960 .306 Robinson Canó 124 9550 .301 Kirby Puckett 124 7831 .318 Paul Molitor 124 10170 .308 Mark Grace 119 9290 .303 Roberto Alomar 116 10400 .300 Derek Jeter 115 12602 .310 Ichiro Suzuki 107 10734 .311 Michael Young 104 8612 .300
camisadelgolf (01-27-2023)
Is this account a bit?
Edgar Martinez the best hitter of the last 75 years?
Nick Madrigal (to be) a 7-time All Star?
PAC-10 is the best conference in college football (or something to that effect)?
If so well done.
Saw a fun tweet about Bichette.
https://twitter.com/codifybaseball/s...pUvqbadwbDD5UQ
Dante Bichette's 1999 season:
.298 AVG
34 HR
133 RBI
-2.3 WAR
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