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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Keep in mind dead money (money paid to someone previously under contract who won't be on the roster that year or years) when it comes to any potential cuts. The Bengals have been more willing to eat dead money recently, but they've historically been reluctant to eat much. Mixon's 2023 cap number may be around $12 million, but that's before the dead money offsets some of that. It's not quite as much of a hit if they designate him as a post June 1st cut.


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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Quote Originally Posted by Hillsdale87 View Post
    The Bengals are pretty loyal and slow to cut guys. I think it's part of the selling point where they're less likely to give guaranteed money, but they're also more likely to keep guys through their contracts. Because of that I think there's a good chance Mixon would have been back, even if the Bengals were a bit split on keeping him. At this point I'd think it's an easy decision to cut him and find a cheap alternative in the draft.

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    Charges have already been dropped, so who knows what they'll do... For the sake of all involved, I hope nothing like what was alleged to have happened actually happened.
    Where did you see that charges were dropped?

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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    Where did you see that charges were dropped?
    WLW first reported it...various sites now saying prosecutor wants them dropped but the judge wants to talk to the alleged victim first
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat13 View Post
    Where did you see that charges were dropped?
    I guess not officially dropped yet, but about to be https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nst-joe-mixon/

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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss-Hog View Post
    Keep in mind dead money (money paid to someone previously under contract who won't be on the roster that year or years) when it comes to any potential cuts. The Bengals have been more willing to eat dead money recently, but they've historically been reluctant to eat much. Mixon's 2023 cap number may be around $12 million, but that's before the dead money offsets some of that. It's not quite as much of a hit if they designate him as a post June 1st cut.
    Yeah, Mixon has a big dead money hit. That's why I thought there was a good chance he'd stay even if the smart move might be to cut him. I'd think there's a better chance he gets cut at this point, but we'll see...

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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Official reporting...

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    Charge against Joe Mixon has been dismissed but can be refilled. Listen to what just happened. @WLWT #breaking
    1:38pm · 3 Feb 2023
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

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    Quaintly, I can remember the days when the quarterback called the plays. The late 50’s and early 60’s. I think Tom Landry was the one where he started calling plays. Seems like light years ago now.
    hand off to fullback left/right/middle, hand off to halfback left/right/middle, short pass, long pass, screen pass
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    When someone's not taking you seriously when you say, "Where's my money/jewelry you stole?!", you have to take the matter to the next level.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    I'm pretty sure that Jonah Williams is seen as insurance for 2023.

    Should they not be able to upgrade at LT and/or RT, then Jonah offers the team one year of insurance to continue looking for that upgrade, with him being offered a chance to be that guy. I don't see them trading him, as the upgrade for both spots probably won't materialize. Guard is so much easier to fill. LT is the most difficult. RT doesn't cost any more than Guard, so might be able to upgrade that spot, as there's no reason to believe that Collins returns at all during next season. He's not 23 anymore recovering from that injury.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    We could hurt KC and help ourselves at the same time, doubling the effect of the signing, by going after Orlando Brown. Any of these four would be great additions, and if we got a deal done with one of them, we could then trade Jonah Williams for a draft pick. He'd certainly be worth at least a 3rd Round pick.

    I didn't list the #1 ranked OT Free Agent per PFF because it's highly likely that McGlinchey and the 49ers get a deal done.

    2. OT ORLANDO BROWN JR., KANSAS CITY CHIEFS

    Free agent rank: 10

    After threatening to hold out for the 2022 season following a franchise-tag saga that didn’t culminate in a long-term deal, Brown turned a slow start into a strong second half protecting quarterback Patrick Mahomes. From Week 10 to the end of the regular season, Brown’s 88.7 pass-blocking grade ranked third best among left tackles.

    He may not become one of the game’s true top tackles given his much-maligned athletic limitations, but he’s a very reliable blindside protector who has succeeded in two diametrically opposed offensive schemes.


    3. OT KALEB MCGARY, ATLANTA FALCONS

    Free agent rank: 29

    McGary, a first-round pick in 2019, had his fifth-year option declined for 2023 and responded with a career year that sets him up nicely. The Falcons may consider a franchise tag, but the approximately $18.25 million price may be too rich in their eyes.

    McGary’s 91.6 run-blocking grade ranked second among tackles, trailing only the great Trent Williams, with 19.7% of his run-blocking snaps earning a positive grade, which also placed second best. The concern here will be if he’s a beneficiary of the NFL’s run-heaviest offense and if his 66.9 pass-blocking grade — a career-best — can continue to improve in years to come.


    4. OT JAWAAN TAYLOR, JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS

    Free agent rank: 35

    Taylor had a career year as a pass protector, earning his highest pass-blocking grade with a 76.4 mark that landed him in the top 25 among tackles on the year. Taylor allowed pressure on just 2.5% of dropbacks, the third-lowest mark among tackles in the NFL, though quarterback Trevor Lawrence’s lightning-quick 2.51-second average time to throw certainly helped. However, Taylor’s 76.7 pass-blocking grade on true pass sets still ranked 14th among tackles and his 5.2% pressure rate allowed was a top-10 mark.

    On the other hand, Taylor had the highest rate of negatively graded run blocks among tackles in the NFL (22.4%). This is, of course, the less important aspect of tackle play, but it’s undoubtedly still a cause for concern if a lineman is earning a negative grade on more than one out of every five rushing plays.


    5. OT KELVIN BEACHUM, ARIZONA CARDINALS

    Free agent rank: 42

    Beachum earned his 10th straight season-long pass-blocking grade above 70.0 and showed few signs of slowing down at 33 years old, logging over 1,100 snaps with a revolving door of lineman teammates at each of the other four positions all season long.

    He’s limited as a run blocker, and that won’t change, but you know what you’re going to get with Beachum at right tackle, and you’re likely going to get tremendous value considering he’s coming off a two-year, $4 million deal signed in 2021.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Bates is ranked #1 (and #5 of all FA's of any position) and Bell is ranked #4 (and #46 overall) of all Safeties available as Free Agents for 2023 per PFF...

    Nice to see Poyer #2 so that BUF gets effected, one way or another.

    1. S JESSIE BATES III, CINCINNATI BENGALS

    Free agent rank: 5

    It appears far more likely Bates will reach unrestricted free agency this time around after Cincinnati placed the franchise tag on him last offseason and never made a serious multi-year offer.

    His 76.8 PFF grade this season ranked 13th at the position, his 84.8 run-defense grade was a top-five mark. This year marked Bates' fifth 1,000-plus-snap season in as many years as an NFL player, pairing his above-average skill set with remarkable reliability. He ranks behind only Kevin Byard in regular-season snaps played among safeties since 2018.


    2. S JORDAN POYER, BUFFALO BILLS

    Free agent rank: 19

    Poyer was seeking an extension before the 2022 season, and his performance this year goes a long way in proving why he was worthy of a new deal, but various injuries have also illustrated perhaps why Buffalo was wary of committing to the 31-year-old beyond 2022. That said, Poyer logged 950-plus snaps in every season from 2017-21, so his toughness and willingness to play through ailments cannot be questioned.

    The 2022 campaign marked Poyer's fourth consecutive regular season earning coverage grades and overall grades above 70.0, with a lot of turnover in the Bills' secondary throughout the season, most notably with his safety partner Micah Hyde lost for the year. Poyer’s 92.1 coverage grade since 2020 is the best among safeties. He still has good football left to be played.


    3. S CHAUNCEY GARDNER-JOHNSON, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    Free agent rank: 28

    The Eagles traded for Gardner-Johnson this past offseason after he couldn’t come to terms with the New Orleans Saints on a contract extension, and it was somewhat surprising the aggressive Eagles didn’t extend him right then and there. Nevertheless, Gardner-Johnson got off to a strong start, and his six interceptions tied for the most in the NFL. An injury knocked him out for five weeks to close out the year, but he’s back for the playoffs and has a lot to prove in the postseason.

    The former Saints slot cornerback’s versatility was on full display in Week 18 against the New York Giants fresh off injured reserve, logging a few key snaps in the slot with Avonte Maddox out with an injury and allowing just two receptions for five yards to go along with two defensive stops. The interesting thing with his market will be where his next team — if he doesn’t stay in Philadelphia — projects him in the lineup, with safeties earning a lot more on average than slot cornerbacks.


    4. S VONN BELL, CINCINNATI BENGALS

    Free agent rank: 46

    Bell has been a somewhat under-the-radar field general on the backend who serves as a glue guy for his defense in his career, and 2022 was no different as Bengals cornerbacks went down with injuries all year long. A stout run defender, Bell boasts an 88.7 run-defense grade over the past five seasons that ranks eighth best among safeties. He did record the highest rate of missed tackles in his career in 2022 (14.8%), but his track record speaks for itself.

    Bell can hold his own in coverage, as well, earning his second consecutive coverage grade above 65.0. He’s a very solid all-around player who would be a nice fit with any team.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    What if we took Mixon's money and gave it to Clowney?

    PFF's top-rated EDGE Defenders for the 2023 Free Agency period...

    I'm guessing (having been given full control over roster personnel by the Ownership Group) that Sean Payton will go and get Marcus Davenport.

    1. EDGE MARCUS DAVENPORT, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

    Free agent rank: 22

    Injuries once again hampered Davenport’s season, but he’s a remarkably effective pass rusher off the edge when healthy, and his talent alone could be worth the gamble in free agency — especially given the relative lack of edge rushers available. Since he entered the league in 2018, Davenport’s 17.8% pass-rush win rate and 13.9% pressure percentage are both top-20 marks among edge defenders, and he’s also earned a very respectable 82.1 run-defense grade for his career, which ranks 16th over the span.

    Davenport has five straight campaigns grading above 70.0. The issue is that he’s yet to log 600 snaps in a single season. At the end of the day, top-20 edge defenders against the pass and run don’t reach free agency often, and while his injury list is long, it doesn’t include any devastating ligament tears.


    2. EDGE JADEVEON CLOWNEY, CLEVELAND BROWNS

    Free agent rank: 26

    Clowney’s somewhat bizarre NFL journey continues, and he will almost certainly be playing somewhere besides Cleveland in 2023 after comments he made about frustration with his role led to him being inactive for Week 18. The multi-year deal he’s been seeking for several offseasons may ultimately never come at this point, and he’ll be a year-to-year mercenary for around $10 million annually.

    Clowney has also struggled to stay on the field due to a handful of injuries over the past few years, failing to reach 500 snaps played for the second time in three seasons. All of that said, Clowney still flashes his tantalizing No. 1 overall pick talent just enough to make him an intriguing option for many teams. Clowney — always a stout run defender and strong edge setter — also missed just 7.4% of potential tackles, his first season below 12.5% since 2016.


    3. EDGE MELVIN INGRAM III, MIAMI DOLPHINS

    Free agent rank: 37

    A year after Ingram was traded to the Kansas City Chiefs and immediately became their best edge defender for the stretch run, he signed a steal of a one-year deal with the Dolphins and once again played at a very high level, far outpacing his compensation.

    Ingram is a rotational player at this stage in his career, with fewer than 600 snaps in three straight seasons, but he’s still very effective, earning his eighth straight overall and pass-rush grades above 70.0 while generating a quarterback pressure on over 10% of pass-rush reps for the eighth consecutive season.


    4. EDGE JUSTIN HOUSTON, BALTIMORE RAVENS

    Free agent rank: 38

    Just like Miami Dolphins edge defender Melvin Ingram III, Houston was forced to sign a modest one-year deal and completely outplayed his contract from day one even as a rotational pass-rush specialist with just 400 snaps on the season. Houston’s 18.4% pass-rush win rate and 14.6% pressure percentage were both top-25 marks among edge defenders, and he managed to add 9.5 sacks to his total, which brings him to 111.5 for his career, a top-40 mark all time. For a team looking for a menace on passing downs, Houston is still that guy entering his age-34 season.


    5. EDGE BRANDON GRAHAM, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES

    Free agent rank: 39

    Graham is likely going to re-sign with the Eagles as a rotational pass-rush specialist or retire, but he’s worthy of making this list, as the ageless wonder had the first 10-sack season of his career at age 34 and was an absolute problem on passing downs. Graham’s 22.9% pass-rush win rate ranked sixth among edge defenders, and his 17.1% pressure percentage came in at seventh. The fact that Graham finished top 10 in both metrics coming off a torn Achilles at his age is remarkable, and there are no signs he can’t run it back in 2023.


    6. EDGE CHARLES OMENIHU, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

    Free agent rank: 41

    Omenihu thus far in his career has been more of a rotational player, but he’s been on a tear as a pass rusher over the past two seasons, especially after the Houston Texans traded him to the 49ers. Omenihu’s 20.4% pass-rush win rate since 2021 ranks 12th among edge defenders, and his 13.6% pressure percentage ranks 24th.

    Omenihu also brings versatility along the defensive line with his 6-foot-5, 280-pound frame enabling him to line up over tackles or as a true end outside the opposing tackle's outside shoulder, though he doesn’t use his size as much as one would like in the run game, missing far too many tackles over his entire career.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    For observation, here's PFF's estimation for Free Agent Germaine Pratt amongst Linebackers (strong FA class)...

    5. LB GERMAINE PRATT, CINCINNATI BENGALS

    Free agent rank: 30

    With both Bengals starting safeties in Jessie Bates III and Vonn Bell pending free agents, a big extension for wide receiver Tee Higgins likely in play and fellow off-ball linebacker Logan Wilson also eligible for an extension after the season, it’s possible Pratt hits the market even after a career year.

    Pratt’s 90.1 coverage grade was the best mark in the NFL. He missed just two tackles in coverage and allowed only four explosive receptions. Pratt didn’t miss many tackles as a run defender, either, whiffing on just 5.9% of opportunities after three straight seasons above 10% to start his career. Last but certainly not least, Pratt also peaked at the right time, with his 90.1 overall grade since Week 8 the top mark among linebackers.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

    Lou getting a second interview with the Cardinals...


    This could be a huge blow to the Bengals as most DC candidates to fill Lou's slot will have jobs.
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    Re: 2023 Cincinnati Bengals Part 1: Offseason

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