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    The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    To the immense credit of owner Peter Seidler, the San Diego Padres in recent years have heavily committed themselves to fielding the best team possible.

    What's more is that the Padres are at present running the third-highest payroll in all of MLB, according to Cot's Contracts, and they're doing so seemingly despite the fact that San Diego is just the 27th-largest media market in the U.S.

    That the Padres are operating in such a way and doing so with not only viability but also profitability continues to be a source of consternation for other owners who would very much prefer to continue not trying to win baseball games in relative peace and comfort.

    The latest to air his grievances toward the Padres and their efforts to win the World Series is Dick Monfort of the Colorado Rockies.

    "That puts a lot of pressure (on us)," Monfort said. "But it's not just the Padres, it's the Mets, it's the Phillies.

    "What the Padres are doing, I don't 100% agree with, though I know that our fans probably agree with it.

    The Padres' recent ways have caused more than one ownership mask to slip a bit, and it's not hard to take away a couple of conclusions from this latest set of grievances.

    those same owners know fully well that fans want them to, you know, try to win baseball games.

    The single biggest problem in Major League Baseball right now -- and the driver of many related problems -- is the owner who doesn't care about winning, who views the franchise as a portfolio holding rather than a civic treasure that carries with it certain obligations.
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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    How dare the Padres spend money to try to win!
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    Chip is right

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    "What the Padres are doing, I don't 100% agree with, though I know that our fans probably agree with it."
    Neighborhood man scoffs in disgust at fellow neighbor who bought his wife a new car and plans to take their whole family on a road trip to Disney in the summer.

    "What the Smiths are doing, I don't 100% agree with, though I know my family would probably love it."
    Last edited by missionhockey21; 01-30-2023 at 10:01 AM.
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    Let's stop talking about those people and shun them as they deserve.

    Joey is a Red for life. I really don't care if there are people that don't like it.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Rich people really think they’re part of a divine order and building their wealth is objectively natural and good and they feel comfortable saying out loud how their goal is to make the quality of their product as poor and inexpensive as is permitted to generate a profit. And, when other companies actually make high quality products or pay their people well, they consider it blasphemy.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    I have a serious question.
    Is there anything that can be done about owners who have no intention of fielding competitive or winning teams?

    Seems the other owners love beating up on those teams and then scooping up their good players when the cheap owners refuse to pay them.

    Could a different Commissioner do anything about this?

    Rob Manfred doesn't seem to care about the problems that could, and probably will destroy Major League Baseball.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    I have a serious question.
    Is there anything that can be done about owners who have no intention of fielding competitive or winning teams?

    Seems the other owners love beating up on those teams and then scooping up their good players when the cheap owners refuse to pay them.

    Could a different Commissioner do anything about this?

    Rob Manfred doesn't seem to care about the problems that could, and probably will destroy Major League Baseball.
    Salary floor is really the only thing that I think could help. Even that is not going to solve it.

    This has obviously been discussed at length and would require them to be thinking about the long term health of baseball. Which it seems like they don't care about for some reason.
    Last edited by HammerTime; 01-30-2023 at 01:35 PM.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    I have a serious question.
    Is there anything that can be done about owners who have no intention of fielding competitive or winning teams?

    Seems the other owners love beating up on those teams and then scooping up their good players when the cheap owners refuse to pay them.

    Could a different Commissioner do anything about this?

    Rob Manfred doesn't seem to care about the problems that could, and probably will destroy Major League Baseball.
    The Commissioner is hired and fired by the owners and basically works on their behalf. The "small market" owners dont want to be forced to spend money, and large market owners dont want the extra competition. For these reasons I doubt much changes anytime soon as owners have to put their individual wants aside for the greater good of the health of the sport.

    The NFL got a salary cap largely due to Jerry Jones leading the way....I don't see any owner in baseball leading the charge in efforts to change.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime View Post
    Salary floor is really the only thing that I think could help. Even that is not going to solve it.
    I think you could even start with just saying payroll must meet the amount given to each team in revenue sharing and if it's less then that team gets a smaller piece of the pie the following year. Many small market teams could fund their payroll though that alone and then the club just needs to be profitable enough to keep the lights on and pay staff.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    If a team who is receiving revenue sharing is not spending at the level of the revenue sharing they receive, they either have to forgo it or open their books to a public auditor.

    Obviously this would never be done, but crying poor when you are poor is a bit more accepted than crying poor because your return isn't as high as you'd like it.
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    Let's stop talking about those people and shun them as they deserve.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Chip R View Post
    How dare the Padres spend money to try to win!
    The nerve!
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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Quote Originally Posted by missionhockey21 View Post
    Neighborhood man scoffs in disgust at fellow neighbor who bought his wife a new car and plans to take their whole family on a road trip to Disney in the summer.

    "What the Smiths are doing, I don't 100% agree with, though I know my family would probably love it."
    Or the guy who won't get rid of his weeds or do repairs on his structure who knows that his property rises in value simply because most in the neighborhood do regular maintenance and upkeep on their premises.

    The ultimate cheapskate is the person who won't spend a little to raise the overall value, while also not embarrass his neighbors (or his kids or his wife, though they are probably used to his cheapness and adopted his lack of values) by being the ugliest property on the block.
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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    In reality, they are just embarrassed, but are still very happy as the Padres, Phillies and Mets inadvertantly end up raising the values and revenues of the Rockies, REDS, Pirates, etc.

    I've mentioned this a million times that it's an embarrassment at the social parties in the tri-county area that is the only thing which will drive the REDS to compete. When fans focus on that (by never showing up to games), then and only then, will the REDS do anything constructive in the way they do business when it comes to trying to win. The Bengals winning a Super Bowl will help.
    Last edited by Kingspoint; 01-31-2023 at 01:08 AM.
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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    there should be a rule in place, if you get revenue from the league and a set percentage is NOT used on your team, you start to loose revenue the very next season. That would make teams use it, not lie and say they have no money while secretly banking revenue!!

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    What? A Major League Baseball Club trying to win? The audacity of them. I'm sure the Castellini's don't care for this at all.

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    Re: The Padres are trying to win, and that continues to upset some owners

    Good lord this league is an embarrassment lmao

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