Spring Training Cuts and Reds Roster Status

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

With Nick Senzel and Matt Reynolds expected to start the year on the IL, the Reds have 17 healthy position players in camp.

David Bell said there's no determination yet on Joey Votto's Opening Day status.

13 spots for those 16 or 17 players

https://twitter.com/CharlieG__/statu...194496/photo/1

[Tony Cloninger]

Flexibility for the sake of flexibility is not good value to me. Players who can barely contribute on offense but hey they can play multiple positions at an adequate level only work if your pitching staff is maybe as good as the 2012 Reds. Might need a pitching staff like the mid 70 A’s with inning eating starters and inning eating relievers who could pitch more than 1 game every 2-3 days. But since that’s a pipe dream and not realistic. This team is going to screw itself even more with 3 catchers on top of everything.

I would be more upset if this team actually had a chance to compete for the playoffs.

[redsfan9988]

Flexibility for the sake of flexibility is not good value to me. Players who can barely contribute on offense but hey they can play multiple positions at an adequate level only work if your pitching staff is maybe as good as the 2012 Reds. Might need a pitching staff like the mid 70 A’s with inning eating starters and inning eating relievers who could pitch more than 1 game every 2-3 days. But since that’s a pipe dream and not realistic. This team is going to screw itself even more with 3 catchers on top of everything.

I would be more upset if this team actually had a chance to compete for the playoffs.

I think the idea that the Reds are carrying “three catchers” is misleading. Stephenson is going to play 80+ games at 1B/DH. Casali will DH against LHP on occasion. The Reds will get value from all of their catchers - and since it’s and injury-prone position, the “logjam” may work itself out anyway.

Stephenson is probably the best hitter on the team. Casali is a solid defender who hits LHP well. Maile is a quality backup, good defender, and solid at throwing out base stealers.

The Reds will get more value from each of these guys than from carrying and extra LH OF or mediocre utility bat/glove. If CES was going to make the roster, but didn’t because we’re carrying 3 Cs, I’d be bummed. But he was heading to Louisville anyway, so the opportunity cost is going to be Friedl, Pinder, Vosler, Fairchild, etc… meh

[Kinsm]

As of 3 PM EST March 19th, 2023


Players no longer in Big League Camp:

(8) - 40 man roster - optioned to MiLB Camp:
Ricky Karcher 74 (to AAA Roster)
Casey Legumina 65 (to AAA Roster)
Lyon Richardson 72 (to AA Roster)
Levi Stoudt 58 (to AAA Roster)
Elly De La Cruz 44 (to AAA Roster)
Noelvi Marte 68 (to AA Roster)
Michael Siani 38 (to AAA Roster)
Nick Solak 16 (to AAA Roster)

(15) - NRI's - reassigned to MiLB Camp:
Andrew Abbott 89
Alan Busenitz 81
Daniel Duarte 77
Tayron Guerrero 50 (WBC Colombia - eliminated)
Kevin Herget 73
Ben Lively 59
Connor Phillips 93
Jared Solomon 84
Jhonny Pereda 83
Chuckie Robinson 67
Christian Encarnacion 94
Richie Martin 76
Matt McLain 78
Alex McGarry 95
Allan Cerda 80

(1) - NRI's - released to Free Agency:
Austin Romine 26 (^Article XX-B FA)


Players still in Big League Camp:

(32 + 1) - 40 man roster:
Tejay Antone 70 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Graham Ashcraft 51
Luis Cessa 85 (WBC Mexico - returned on own accord)
Fernando Cruz 63 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)
Alexis Díaz 43 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)
Justin Dunn 49 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Buck Farmer 46
Ian Gibaut 79 (WBC Great Britain - eliminated)
Hunter Greene 21
Joel Kuhnel 66
Nick Lodolo 40
Connor Overton 71
Reiver Sanmartin 52 (WBC Colombia - eliminated)
Tony Santillan 64 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Lucas Sims 39
Bennett Sousa 33
Luke Weaver 34
Brandon Williamson 55
Vladimir Gutierrez 53 (on the 60 Day IL)
Curt Casali 12
Luke Maile 22
Tyler Stephenson 37
Jose Barrero 2
Jonathan India 6
Kevin Newman 28
Spencer Steer 7
Joey Votto 19
Will Benson 30
Stuart Fairchild 57
Jake Fraley 27
TJ Friedl 29
Wil Myers 4
Nick Senzel 15 (Injured - yet to see game action)

(11) - NRI's:
Chase Anderson 22 (^Article XX-B FA)
Silvino Bracho 82 (WBC Venezuela - eliminated)
Derek Law 47
Daniel Norris 31 (^Article XX-B FA)
Hunter Strickland 41 (^Article XX-B FA)
Alex Young 48
Alejo Lopez 35
Matt Reynolds 3 (Injued)
Jason Vosler 32
Chad Pinder 9 (^Article XX-B FA)
Henry Ramos 87 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)


^Must be informed no later than noon on March 25th as to whether or not his contract will be selected for placement on the Opening Day 26-man roster or MLB 60-day Injured List.

[mth123]

As of 3 PM EST March 19th, 2023


Players no longer in Big League Camp:

(8) - 40 man roster - optioned to MiLB Camp:
Ricky Karcher 74 (to AAA Roster)
Casey Legumina 65 (to AAA Roster)
Lyon Richardson 72 (to AA Roster)
Levi Stoudt 58 (to AAA Roster)
Elly De La Cruz 44 (to AAA Roster)
Noelvi Marte 68 (to AA Roster)
Michael Siani 38 (to AAA Roster)
Nick Solak 16 (to AAA Roster)

(15) - NRI's - reassigned to MiLB Camp:
Andrew Abbott 89
Alan Busenitz 81
Daniel Duarte 77
Tayron Guerrero 50 (WBC Colombia - eliminated)
Kevin Herget 73
Ben Lively 59
Connor Phillips 93
Jared Solomon 84
Jhonny Pereda 83
Chuckie Robinson 67
Christian Encarnacion 94
Richie Martin 76
Matt McLain 78
Alex McGarry 95
Allan Cerda 80

(1) - NRI's - released to Free Agency:
Austin Romine 26 (^Article XX-B FA)


Players still in Big League Camp:

(32 + 1) - 40 man roster:
Tejay Antone 70 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Graham Ashcraft 51
Luis Cessa 85 (WBC Mexico - returned on own accord)
Fernando Cruz 63 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)
Alexis Díaz 43 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)
Justin Dunn 49 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Buck Farmer 46
Ian Gibaut 79 (WBC Great Britain - eliminated)
Hunter Greene 21
Joel Kuhnel 66
Nick Lodolo 40
Connor Overton 71
Reiver Sanmartin 52 (WBC Colombia - eliminated)
Tony Santillan 64 (Injured - yet to see game action)
Lucas Sims 39
Bennett Sousa 33
Luke Weaver 34
Brandon Williamson 55
Vladimir Gutierrez 53 (on the 60 Day IL)
Curt Casali 12
Luke Maile 22
Tyler Stephenson 37
Jose Barrero 2
Jonathan India 6
Kevin Newman 28
Spencer Steer 7
Joey Votto 19
Will Benson 30
Stuart Fairchild 57
Jake Fraley 27
TJ Friedl 29
Wil Myers 4
Nick Senzel 15 (Injured - yet to see game action)

(11) - NRI's:
Chase Anderson 22 (^Article XX-B FA)
Silvino Bracho 82 (WBC Venezuela - eliminated)
Derek Law 47
Daniel Norris 31 (^Article XX-B FA)
Hunter Strickland 41 (^Article XX-B FA)
Alex Young 48
Alejo Lopez 35
Matt Reynolds 3 (Injued)
Jason Vosler 32
Chad Pinder 9 (^Article XX-B FA)
Henry Ramos 87 (WBC Puerto Rico - eliminated)


^Must be informed no later than noon on March 25th as to whether or not his contract will be selected for placement on the Opening Day 26-man roster or MLB 60-day Injured List.

So they have 43 in camp, but Senzel, Antone, Santillan, Dunn and Reynolds are out to start the season. That makes 38. 12 more cuts to make. To me the only obvious cuts are Alejo Lopez and Daniel Norris. The rest all have a case for and against. The pitchers are the best non big league caliber guys they keep. On the position side, I think the last few are all big league caliber, it's just a matter of fit.

A trade of somebody like Friedl to make room for somebody like Vosler (a LH Back-up IF is really needed) that would bring back a better option for the back of the rotation or the bullpen makes a lot of sense. The Reds would probably need to add a middling minor leaguer or two to make that happen.

[Kc61]

I think the idea that the Reds are carrying “three catchers” is misleading. Stephenson is going to play 80+ games at 1B/DH. Casali will DH against LHP on occasion. The Reds will get value from all of their catchers - and since it’s and injury-prone position, the “logjam” may work itself out anyway.

Stephenson is probably the best hitter on the team. Casali is a solid defender who hits LHP well. Maile is a quality backup, good defender, and solid at throwing out base stealers.

The Reds will get more value from each of these guys than from carrying and extra LH OF or mediocre utility bat/glove. If CES was going to make the roster, but didn’t because we’re carrying 3 Cs, I’d be bummed. But he was heading to Louisville anyway, so the opportunity cost is going to be Friedl, Pinder, Vosler, Fairchild, etc… meh

Three catchers is not misleading. These three guys are dedicated catchers. The only versatility defensively is Stephenson occasionally at first base. This puts a stress on the team’s bench.

They are also all RH hitters. That puts a stress on the L/R balance of the team.

As for DH, every player in baseball can DH. Doesn’t change that some are defensively versatile and others aren’t.

[MoneyInTheBank]

Three catchers is not misleading. These three guys are dedicated catchers. The only versatility defensively is Stephenson occasionally at first base. This puts a stress on the team’s bench.

They are also all RH hitters. That puts a stress on the L/R balance of the team.

As for DH, every player in baseball can DH. Doesn’t change that some are defensively versatile and others aren’t.

I will also add that planning on one of the 3 catchers DHing roughly 1/3 of the team's games really highlights 3 catchers (and further stresses the bench).

[NebraskaRed]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

The Reds have assigned reliever Silvino Bracho, OF Stuart Fairchild and IF/OF Alejo Lopez to minor league camp. They've also released Daniel Norris.

[Ron Madden]

Charlie Goldsmith
@CharlieG__

Here's the updated Reds camp roster. There are 40 players left in camp.

There are 15 healthy position players (counting Votto) for 13 spots.

https://twitter.com/CharlieG__/statu...390277/photo/1

[Old school 1983]

I don’t understand optioning Fairchild. He gets on base decently. Some pop. Speed. Can cover all OF positions. Plus he’s right handed.

[UPRedsFan]

I don’t understand optioning Fairchild. He gets on base decently. Some pop. Speed. Can cover all OF positions. Plus he’s right handed.

Only thing I can figure is they want him to get regular at bats against right handed pitchers to further develop his ability as an option at the big league level. But that must mean Pinder makes the roster. What other right handed outfielder do they have to spell Friedl, Benson, Fraley?

[Ren Deagle]

Only thing I can figure is they want him to get regular at bats against right handed pitchers to further develop his ability as an option at the big league level. But that must mean Pinder makes the roster. What other right handed outfielder do they have to spell Friedl, Benson, Fraley?

Henry Ramos?

[757690]

Only thing I can figure is they want him to get regular at bats against right handed pitchers to further develop his ability as an option at the big league level. But that must mean Pinder makes the roster. What other right handed outfielder do they have to spell Friedl, Benson, Fraley?

I’ve been telling everyone to be emotionally prepared for Pinder to make the opening day roster, no matter what he does in spring.

[malcontent]

Henry Ramos?

I'd be curious to see what Ramos would do at the plate.

[mth123]

I'd be curious to see what Ramos would do at the plate.

31 year old career minor leaguer. He's had a hot spring. He shouldn't make the team.