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    Re: The Candidates For The Reds Last 2 Rotation Spots

    Since Lodolo and he were at TCU together, I am curious to see whether being in the same rotation in Cincinnati might bring out the best in Williamson.
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    Re: The Candidates For The Reds Last 2 Rotation Spots

    Quote Originally Posted by malcontent View Post
    Since Lodolo and he were at TCU together, I am curious to see whether being in the same rotation in Cincinnati might bring out the best in Williamson.
    Maybe so, and Iím basing my opinion strictly on the stats which can be misleading without context. But right now Iíd keep Mr. Williamson as far from GABP as possible. Iíd let him start games at AAA for the first half of the season and see how that goes.

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    Last year at AAA Williamson threw only 32.7% ground balls and over 47% fly balls. His K rate was 7.97. His walk rate was over 6. His FIP was 4.90 and his xFIP over 6.
    He'd never get through four innings in the GABP.

    So, we need two long relievers for when the team is even or ahead and two long relievers for when the team is behind. Williamson qualifies for the latter. Cessa qualifies for the former. That leaves two spots. I don't know where Weaver fits when he's healthy enough to be a part of the equation. He could be on either side. I'd try Sims for one of ones we we are behind. I'd probably try to match two long-relievers together all the time who could be a lefty-right mix, where whoever comes in during early relief sees a favorable lineup the first time through.

    I don't know. There's got to be a way so that we're not overusing our better Relievers, and that they can be used in games when Greene, Ashcraft and Lodolo give us leads or keep us in games. Greene, Ashcraft and Lodolo are all good enough to win 14-18 games if we can hold the leads they give to us, instead of blowing their leads and leaving them with no decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Last year at AAA Williamson threw only 32.7% ground balls and over 47% fly balls. His K rate was 7.97. His walk rate was over 6. His FIP was 4.90 and his xFIP over 6.
    Williamson specifically talked about the difficulty the had adjusting to the new pitching philosophy the Reds wanted him to implement. He didnít say any specifics, but Johnson is known for wanting his pitchers to focus more on pitching up in the zone, going for the Kís. That could be the reason behind his high fly ball rate and trouble with his control.

    Itís a terrible strategy for GABP, and a problem I have with Johnson. However, both Greene and Lodolo have said they had difficulty with it at first, but have had success with it eventually. Williamson has said he feels more comfortable with this new philosophy already this spring. We will see how this develops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Williamson specifically talked about the difficulty the had adjusting to the new pitching philosophy the Reds wanted him to implement. He didn’t say any specifics, but Johnson is known for wanting his pitchers to focus more on pitching up in the zone, going for the K’s. That could be the reason behind his high fly ball rate and trouble with his control.

    It’s a terrible strategy for GABP, and a problem I have with Johnson. However, both Greene and Lodolo have said they had difficulty with it at first, but have had success with it eventually. Williamson has said he feels more comfortable with this new philosophy already this spring. We will see how this develops.
    So he should go to AAA and dominate if that's true. If so, then call him up. I suspect we'll still be seeing the guy who walks 5+ per 9 innings. He won't get away with it in the bg leagues as well as he did in the minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Williamson specifically talked about the difficulty the had adjusting to the new pitching philosophy the Reds wanted him to implement. He didnít say any specifics, but Johnson is known for wanting his pitchers to focus more on pitching up in the zone, going for the Kís. That could be the reason behind his high fly ball rate and trouble with his control.

    Itís a terrible strategy for GABP, and a problem I have with Johnson. However, both Greene and Lodolo have said they had difficulty with it at first, but have had success with it eventually. Williamson has said he feels more comfortable with this new philosophy already this spring. We will see how this develops.
    The average major league starter struck out 8.18 per nine last year. Williamson was slightly below that, 7.97, but facing AAA hitters. This spring, very small sample, his K rate is better, 1 strikeout per inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 757690 View Post
    Williamson specifically talked about the difficulty the had adjusting to the new pitching philosophy the Reds wanted him to implement. He didn’t say any specifics, but Johnson is known for wanting his pitchers to focus more on pitching up in the zone, going for the K’s. That could be the reason behind his high fly ball rate and trouble with his control.

    It’s a terrible strategy for GABP, and a problem I have with Johnson. However, both Greene and Lodolo have said they had difficulty with it at first, but have had success with it eventually. Williamson has said he feels more comfortable with this new philosophy already this spring. We will see how this develops.

    That’s a bad philosophy I agree. Has anyone asked him why he would adhere to something that forces a pitcher to throw more pitches when they’re limited to do so while encouraging the ball in the air to mini Coors?

    And why would a pitcher who has been more successful pitching a different way want to do this. Not that Williamson has a track record but in general terms. Did Sonny Gray do this?


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