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    Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    With the recent demotions, I thought I could reason out a rough idea of what Krall and the Reds have in store in Louisville.

    I've struggled for three days in trying to figure it out.

    Votto's interview leads me to believe he'll begin the season on the IL, with both Vosler and Ramos on the parent team. He'll need some time in Louisville, I'm guessing.

    Senzel, meanwhile, will surely play some games in Kentucky to get ready for the season, ramping up to a likely mid-April start with the team. If everyone's hitting at that point, he might be pushed back to as far as Memorial Day. Regardless, he's Louisville's for the time being. He'll need some innings, I suspect, at 2B and 3B (and perhaps SS) to boost his utility.

    So Votto and Senzel are MLBers on the Louisville team. We'll start with those two.

    I think EDLC is high enough in the prospect pecking order to be named AAA starting SS. Pretty apparent that AA didn't hold much of a challenge, and keeping him in that league isn't what's best for him as a prospect. (Challenges-- especially offspeed and approach challenges-- would be better served in AAA, I think. Everyone knows he can hit a fastball.) I think Christian Encarnacion-Strand has well enough in Spring Training to be given PAs at 3B, 1B, and/or DH as well. Michael Siani, TJ Hopkins, and Alex McGarry all got a few Louisville PAs last year and are prospects enough that they too should be considered as near-locks for the Bat team. That's seven.

    Stuart Fairchild's hit well for multiple AAA seasons and was pretty good for Cincinnati last year when given an audition and consistent playing time. He's a pretty good depth pieces. On the infield, they also have Matt Reynolds, whom they seem to value as a utility glove, and Richie Martin, who was a second-division starter at SS for a couple of year in Baltimore. There's also Alejo Lopez, who's been a part of the 40-man roster for two years and has looked... okay as a high average, no power utility backup. In AAA, he's been a monster, with a great 2021 season followed by a forgettable 2022.

    There are also the free agent OF they signed. Nick Solak hit really well in AAA last year and was signed early this off-season-- obviously, the Reds see something there. Nick Martini hit great in 2019 and has struggled with intermittent MLB time since. But he's turned in very, very good offensive numbers in AAA in those seasons. Martini is the obligatory veteran hitter they may want to lean on in Louisville. You know he's going to be good if he's in the lineup. He's LH, so that's a help. Nick Plummer is also LH and in a similar spot, though he's half a decade younger. He obliterated the ball in 2021 in St. Louis's system, then struggled after moving to the Mets last year. He can play all three OF spots.

    That's five more, for a total of 14 AAA players.

    Speaking of depth, Chuckie Robinson is going to be in AAA. Jhonny Pereda was a minor league free agent they signed-- he has a history of hitting well in AAA. Eric Yang is another catcher who played some AAA last year as well. He was pushed pretty aggressively after a poor AA half-season and in 13 games hit pretty well. He makes 17 players:

    C Robinson [R]
    C Pereda [R]
    C Yang [R]
    1B/DH Votto [L]
    1B/ DH/ OF McGarry [L]
    1B/ DH/ 3B Encarnacion-Strand [R]
    2B Lopez [R]
    UT IF Reynolds [R]
    UT IF Martin [R]
    SS De La Cruz [S]
    UT IF/ OF Senzel [R]
    OF Hopkins [R]
    OF Siani [L]
    OF Fairchild [R]
    OF Solak [R]
    OF Plummer [L]
    OF Martini [L]

    Now, that's a team that should at least compete for a pennant. There's tons of quality AAAA depth, some real thumpers, a little youth, and lots and lots of power. Oh, yeah: There are also 17 players there. Which is, I'm pretty sure, kinda bad roster management.

    Now, looking at list, it should be pretty simple. Get rid of one catcher (Yang moves to AA), one 1B guy (McGarry to AA to start), one middle infielder (Lopez or Martin is released), and one OF (Hopkins moved back to AA, maybe?). That eases up some position battles and leaves the Bats with the following:

    CF Siani
    SS EDLC
    1B/ DH Votto
    3B/ 1B/ DH Encarnacion-Strand
    OF/ DH Plummer/ Fairchild
    OF/ DH Solak
    DH/ OF Martini/ Fairchild
    2B Reynolds
    C Robinson/ Pereda

    Senzel would be the utility guy playing all three OF spots, 2B, and 3B (when Encarnacion-Strand moves over to give Votto a breather). He'd lead off when in the lineup, moving Siani to 9th. Richie Martin would play a utility role when Senzel is called up. He'd hit 9th in the order, with Siani back on top.

    That retards development in Hopkins and McGarry, though neither is likely considered a top 30 kind of guy even if they put up 800 OPS production. That it also creates a logjam in Chattanooga is another discussion altogether. We'll ignore that for the nonce.


    Pitching is a bit easier to figure out, even if I'm uncertain of bullpen roles. And there's not a left-hander to be seen.

    Chase Anderson will be the erstwhile ace of the staff. Brandon Williamson and Levi Stoudt slot in behind him. All three should see some time in Cincinnati this season. (Sigh.) Ben Lively is an innings eater who's perfectly cromulent and likely to take the ball everyday for the entire AAA season. It's good to have one of those, at least. Kevin Herget pitched really well in Durham last year, walking no one and striking out a fair few. He's probably the clubhouse leader for the 5th spot, at least for now. (We'll assume the Reds are too cheap to even scan the waiver wire for a cheap pitcher to replace Overton, who doesn't belong on a major league staff presently.) Randy Wynn pitched for the Bats last year with middling results. He's back again this year-- and probably starts the season as the 6th starter/ long reliever.

    That leaves Casey Legumina in a bullpen role-- which makes sense. That's what they talked up when they acquired him for Farmer. The Reds seem to really like Ricky Karcher and Daniel Duarte; they've got live arms, and, I suspect, will share fireman duties. Silvino Bracho might end up the closer-- I like him as a depth piece for a middle relief option. Derek Law, probably the first guy who'll be called to provide relief arm depth, is a near-lock if he doesn't make the Reds. Krall and company also seem enamored of Tayron Guerrero, a giant of a human being who seems to have no earthly clue where the ball's going. (Practice for Big Joe Boyle, perhaps?) That leaves one spot for Tommy Eveld, Jared Solomon, Eddy Demurias, or perhaps Michael Byrne. (I'm leaning toward Eveld based on numbers, but the others are likely to get their time on the I-65 shuttle between Chattanooga and Louisville as the season progresses.) They might decide to give LH Even Kravetz a spot, because he is indeed LH. Andy Fisher is another southpaw. I don't think they're especially likely, however.

    That's a pitching staff, then, of:

    SP Anderson [R]
    SP Williamson [L]
    SP Stoudt [R]
    SP Lively [R]
    SP Herget [R]

    RP Bracho [R]
    RP Karcher [R]
    RP Duarte [R]
    RP Legumina [R]
    RP Wynn [R]
    RP Guerrero [R]
    RP Eveld [R]
    RP Law [R]

    The bullpen looks really, really solid for AAA. (Of course, bullpens are notoriously fickle.) Lots of consistent minor league guys there whose statistics say they're hard to hit, hard to square up, and throw really hard. Most of the pen has had at least some major league success-- and those that haven't have some attributes that might endear them to the Reds beyond being cheap. Some issues with walks, as always. Not sure the rotation is good enough, but Herget was sneaky good last year. If he pitches all season, I like him to stabilize it somewhat. And mid-season callups (Andrew Abbott, Joe Boyle, Lyon Richardson, and perhaps Connor Phillips) bump the upside up quite a bit. There's some variance here, but it looks like an intriguing club offensively with a decent bullpen and just enough starting pitching to compete for a pennant.

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    I'd pretty shocked and disappointed if McLain didn't start the year in AAA. I see no reason for him to repeat AA. Bell said he was very close to being MLB ready.

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    I doubt Reds are going with three lefty relievers.. Either Sousa or Young is likely to be at Louisville and Law, probably, in Cincy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    I doubt Reds are going with three lefty relievers.. Either Sousa or Young is likely to be at Louisville and Law, probably, in Cincy.
    I suspect Young has a spot sewn up. He was very good in Spring Training and has a very solid track record of getting guys out pretty consistently. While he doesn't have a 40-man roster spot, that's easily gotten around: Vlad Gutierrez has a spot that's not being used. A one-for-one switch gets him there.

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    CES and EDLC are on the DL for the beginning of the season, apparently. That takes care of some of the AAA logjam, at least to begin.

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I suspect Young has a spot sewn up. He was very good in Spring Training and has a very solid track record of getting guys out pretty consistently. While he doesn't have a 40-man roster spot, that's easily gotten around: Vlad Gutierrez has a spot that's not being used. A one-for-one switch gets him there.
    Vlad is on the 60 day IL. The Reds used his spot to sign Sousa.
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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    CES and EDLC are on the DL for the beginning of the season, apparently. That takes care of some of the AAA logjam, at least to begin.
    That's disappointing. I was already scouting out what game on the opening homestand to attend.

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    CES and EDLC are on the DL for the beginning of the season, apparently. That takes care of some of the AAA logjam, at least to begin.
    You’ve gotta be kidding me. For what? Sitting too close to Senzel. Too soon?

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I suspect Young has a spot sewn up. He was very good in Spring Training and has a very solid track record of getting guys out pretty consistently. While he doesn't have a 40-man roster spot, that's easily gotten around: Vlad Gutierrez has a spot that's not being used. A one-for-one switch gets him there.
    Vlad is #41 on the forty man roster. His “extra spot” is allowable because he was already put on the 60-day IL.

    To make room for the NRIs on forty man roster, Reds will need to create a spot for each via cuts or additional 60-day IL designations.
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    The Bats can have a 28 man roster, rehabbers do not count against this limit. I would guess they have the following:


    SP (5):
    Levi Stoudt
    Kevin Herget
    Chase Anderson
    Brandon Williamson
    Randy Wynne

    RP (10):
    Ricky Karcher
    Casey Legumina
    Silvino Bracho
    Alan Busenitz
    Daniel Duarte
    Joel Kuhnel
    Zack Brown
    Eddy Demurias
    Tommy Eveld
    Derek Law

    C (3):
    Jhonny Pereda
    Chuckie Robinson
    Andy Yerzy

    IF (5 + 2 rehabbers):
    Matt Reynolds
    Matt McLain
    Alejo Lopez
    Richie Martin
    Alex McGarry
    Nick Senzel
    Joey Votto

    OF (5):
    Stuart Fairchild
    Michael Siani
    Nick Plummer
    TJ Hopkins
    Nick Martini

    IL:
    Elly De La Cruz
    Christian Encarnacion-Strang

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    Which is a team that has the best shot in a while to break the Bats losing season streak and perhaps playoff drought, especially given that there is depth below them to replace guys called up, injured or opting out.

    That said, I havn't heard any word on as to whether there will even be AAA playoffs. Last year it was 3 games, both leagues division leaders facing off in a single game series, and the winner of those playing one more game for the championship - all in Las Vegas. It's a complete disservice to the fans of minor league teams, and I'd like to say the players as well - I know many just want to get home after the year, but surely some want to compete for a real championship in front of home fans even if not at the ultimate level.

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    Re: Louisville's Squad Rounding Into Shape?

    Quote Originally Posted by batsfan View Post
    That said, I havn't heard any word on as to whether there will even be AAA playoffs. Last year it was 3 games, both leagues division leaders facing off in a single game series, and the winner of those playing one more game for the championship - all in Las Vegas. It's a complete disservice to the fans of minor league teams, and I'd like to say the players as well - I know many just want to get home after the year, but surely some want to compete for a real championship in front of home fans even if not at the ultimate level.
    MLB arranging things to undercut fan development for a few extra dollars you say? I'm SHOCKED I tell you SHOCKED that MLB and Commissioner Manfred would EVER put dollars over fan interactions!

    That is stupid and beyond asinine, its like they want to run away all fans so they they don't have to put individual seating and can just build giant luxury boxes for the sponsers.

    One of my favorite memories as a kid was celebrating the Charleston Wheelers winning the SAL league in 1990 at home.
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    Plummer & Martin have been released.

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    The Louisville Opening Day roster:

    C Chuckie Robinson
    C Jhonny Pereda
    1B Joey Votto (rehab)
    1B Alex McGarry
    2B Alejo Lopez
    SS Matt McLain
    3B Matt Reynolds
    OF Henry Ramos (suspended)
    OF Nick Martini
    OF TJ Hopkins
    OF Brian Rey
    OF Michael Siani
    UT Steven Leyton

    SP Chase Anderson
    SP Brandon Williamson
    SP Levi Stoudt
    SP Ben Lively
    SP Kevin Herget
    SP/RP Randy Wynn
    RP Ricky Karcher
    RP Hunter Strickland
    RP Bennett Sousa
    RP Jared Solomon
    RP Ryan Nutof
    RP Casey Legumina
    RP Tayron Guerrero
    RP Alan Busenitz
    RP Silvino Bracho

    Zack Brown and Andy Yerzy are on the development list (ie, taxi squad).

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    The Henry Ramos suspension is an interesting tale. He hit a home run while in the minors in September, 2021. The opposing team took umbrage to something Ramos said or did. Words were exchanged as he rounded the bases, and then a brouhaha ensued. He was called up to Arizona the next day, and stayed there for the rest of the season. In 2022, Ramos played in Korea and Puerto Rico. So, long story short, he was not in the minors and could not serve the suspension. He started 2023 in Louisville, and the long arm of the minor league law finally caught up to him.

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