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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    I could answer that but, respectfully, first I'd like you hear your take on why so many people last year and forward were so far off on their expectations for De La Cruz, thus far.

    That's not snark. I want to see if people understand why they couldn't see this year coming and what they'd change about their take(s) if they had to do it all over again. I think those are perfectly fair questions.
    I expected the league to adjust to him and start throwing sliders insider and down, they did, but I thought he would adjust quickly. Seems like is now struggling just seeing anything. I definitely think he needs to not play this winter and take a nice long breather. I can’t speak for anyone else.

    Now, what are you doing with Elly this coming season if you’re Nick Krall.
    What would you say.....ya do here?


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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Elly takes fastball strikes down the middle and swings at offspeed stuff out of the zone.

    Iím not sure why he doesnít look for more first pitch fastballs.


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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    I think some folks will believe virtually anything if it'll help them cope with failure, particularly if they didn't see it coming. It's no surprise at this point to see people reaching for injury excuses or their perception of when when a player barrelled into "the wall", assuming it was actually hit.
    I don’t much buy the tired explanation either, but hand/wrist injuries can absolutely skew data to the point of being unusable. We saw the same thing with Mesoraco and India coming up. Whether or not that’s the case with Elly remains to be seen of course.

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    Elly takes fastball strikes down the middle and swings at offspeed stuff out of the zone.

    I’m not sure why he doesn’t look for more first pitch fastballs.


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    not to mention he guess at whats coming instead of using comon sense.. 2-0.. or 3-0, or 3-1,, he is getting a hitable fastball and he takes it.. i just go UGHH. as i am thinking along as a hitter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    I expected the league to adjust to him and start throwing sliders insider and down, they did, but I thought he would adjust quickly. Seems like is now struggling just seeing anything. I definitely think he needs to not play this winter and take a nice long breather. I can’t speak for anyone else.

    Now, what are you doing with Elly this coming season if you’re Nick Krall.
    Well, if I'm Nick Krall, I'm having him play baseball because he's a baseball player.
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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Elly takes fastball strikes down the middle and swings at offspeed stuff out of the zone.

    I’m not sure why he doesn’t look for more first pitch fastballs.


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    He has Major League talent and Single-A fundamentals. He has so many things to work on. His best bet would be to go to the Arizona Fall League where he could work on one or two of them.
    "One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    Well, if I'm Nick Krall, I'm having him play baseball because he's a baseball player.
    Where?
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    Where?
    In Cincinnati and, when they're on the road, at opponents' stadiums.
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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    In Cincinnati and, when they're on the road, at opponents' stadiums.
    So hereís the question: is he a starting IF in 2024 or does he need to win the job from the likes of CES, Marte, and (by proxy) India?

    CES is going to be the 1st baseman. India is going to play 2B if heís still here. Matt McLain is going to bat 3rd for the Reds for the next six years - and will either be playing 2B or SS. You have Marte and his much-needed-in-this-lineup bat-to-ball skills lying around, as well as Spencer Steer.

    I donít think Elly can learn anything from murdering AAA pitching. Does his upside justify the opportunity cost of starting him (Barerro-style) at SS next year? On a potentially competitive team?

    I say yes.

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

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    So here’s the question: is he a starting IF in 2024 or does he need to win the job from the likes of CES, Marte, and (by proxy) India?

    CES is going to be the 1st baseman. India is going to play 2B if he’s still here. Matt McLain is going to bat 3rd for the Reds for the next six years - and will either be playing 2B or SS. You have Marte and his much-needed-in-this-lineup bat-to-ball skills lying around, as well as Spencer Steer.

    I don’t think Elly can learn anything from murdering AAA pitching. Does his upside justify the opportunity cost of starting him (Barerro-style) at SS next year? On a potentially competitive team?

    I say yes.
    3B Elly
    SS McLain
    2B India
    1B CES/Votto

    Marte can be utility. Steer to the OF. And there will be injuries.

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    Elly takes fastball strikes down the middle and swings at offspeed stuff out of the zone.

    I’m not sure why he doesn’t look for more first pitch fastballs.


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    My comment is anecdotal but yes this exactly.

    Many many times I’ve seen him get a fastball in the zone on the first pitch and he takes. Then behind in the count, here comes the swings and misses on breaking balls out of the zone.
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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan9988 View Post
    So here’s the question: is he a starting IF in 2024 or does he need to win the job from the likes of CES, Marte, and (by proxy) India?

    CES is going to be the 1st baseman. India is going to play 2B if he’s still here. Matt McLain is going to bat 3rd for the Reds for the next six years - and will either be playing 2B or SS. You have Marte and his much-needed-in-this-lineup bat-to-ball skills lying around, as well as Spencer Steer.

    I don’t think Elly can learn anything from murdering AAA pitching. Does his upside justify the opportunity cost of starting him (Barerro-style) at SS next year? On a potentially competitive team?

    I say yes.
    Yes, you start De La Cruz at SS. You have to for a couple reasons. First, you have figure out if he can hit lefties or if his severe struggles there are are real thing. Second, you have to figure out if he can actually improve his plate discipline and, if so, to what extent. That and relocating his power, if he can, will go a long way to determining a reasonable long-term ceiling.

    Oh, and they have to move India.
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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaReds View Post
    3B Elly
    SS McLain
    2B India
    1B CES/Votto

    Marte can be utility. Steer to the OF. And there will be injuries.
    I think India will be on the way out

    C Stephenson
    1B CES
    2B McLain
    SS Elly
    3B Marte
    LF Benson
    CF Frieldl
    RF Fraley/RHH
    DH Steer

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by SteelSD View Post
    Yes, you start De La Cruz at SS. You have to for a couple reasons. First, you have figure out if he can hit lefties or if his severe struggles there are are real thing. Second, you have to figure out if he can actually improve his plate discipline and, if so, to what extent. That and relocating his power, if he can, will go a long way to determining a reasonable long-term ceiling.

    Oh, and they have to move India.
    India is out, I agree. So what’s the minimum return? We’re not getting a top-100 guy IMO. Package him with a top-10 prospect hitter for a controllable SP?

    Edit** I’ve had my eyes on Edward Cabrera for some time. The Marlins aren’t as flush with pitching as they were at this time last year - but that’s someone I’d love to target if the price is right.

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    Re: Welcome to The Show Elly De La Cruz! PART 2

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan9988 View Post
    I think India will be on the way out

    C Stephenson
    1B CES
    2B McLain
    SS Elly
    3B Marte
    LF Benson
    CF Frieldl
    RF Fraley/RHH
    DH Steer
    That's the way I see it too, at least against RHP.
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