Marlins shopping for a SS in the offseason

[RedsManRick]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...is-winter.html

So, just how much do you think we could get for Elly? (Cue riots)

I'm not serious, but I'm not not serious.... No idea what their system is like, but there's a return including truly top-end pitching that would make me think long and hard. I can just imagine how he'd be received in Miami.

And an infield of CES, Steer, McLain, Marte in some configuration works just fine.

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[TRF]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...is-winter.html

So, just how much do you think we could get for Elly? (Cue riots)

I'm not serious, but I'm not not serious.... No idea what their system is like, but there's a return including truly top-end pitching that would make me think long and hard. I can just imagine how he'd be received in Miami.

And an infield of CES, Steer, McLain, Marte in some configuration works just fine.

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Arroyo just got promoted to AA.

I'd be willing to move him. Marlins got some pitching chops. Reds could use help there. I cannot see a situation where the Reds deal Elly now.

[RedsManRick]

Arroyo just got promoted to AA.

I'd be willing to move him. Marlins got some pitching chops. Reds could use help there. I cannot see a situation where the Reds deal Elly now.

Arroyo is almost certainly a 2025 arrival, maybe late 2025. He would not address the Marlins need for 2024. Not would he bring the type of immediate impact SP in return.

The reason you'd consider trading Elly is precisely the reason you'd want to consider him untouchable. I'd argue that, with Elly, you may get an "excitement" premium not reflected in actual on-the-field value. The hype is an arbitrage opportunity, sort of like the idea with the Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez deal.

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[backbencher]

Definitely an intriguing idea.

I'm in no way a "trade Elly guy," but I'm not a "trade McLain" or "trade Marte" or "trade Arroyo" guy, either. And yet . . . .

Marlins could be a really good matchup to add to the front of the rotation. Young controllable for young controllable.

[schroomytunes]

I'm not trading him for pitching, we can get a frontline starter in FA we have the funds to make it happen. If I'm trading anyone this offseason it's probably India for Bullpen pitching.

[MikeS21]

I'm not trading him for pitching, we can get a frontline starter in FA we have the funds to make it happen. If I'm trading anyone this offseason it's probably India for Bullpen pitching.

Forget about FA “frontline” starting pitching. There are too many teams who have more funds than the Reds who will make 12-year $600 million offers to 30 year old pitchers.

I have said from the beginning that there are only perhaps five young pitchers in all of baseball that I would consider trading the Reds’ young talent for. And 3-4 of those 5 pitchers are with the Marlins. I would absolutely trade EDLC for one of those Marlin pitchers. However, I think the Marlins FO would look at Elly’s production and laugh at any offer the Reds make.

Plus, the Marlins are still smarting over losing Luis Castillo to the Reds. Who the Reds really need to target is the Marlins scouts who seem to be able to find excellent young pitchers and bring them into the organization.

[757690]

I'm not trading him for pitching, we can get a frontline starter in FA we have the funds to make it happen. If I'm trading anyone this offseason it's probably India for Bullpen pitching.

I’m not trading someone with the upside of EDLC for pitching. Pitchers are too volatile, too likely to get injured. The list of pitchers who have long careers is much shorter than the list of hitters. ELDC is someone to extend and keep for as much of his career as possible. I’m not trading him for someone who most likely will have 2-3 good years.

[KeefeCato]

Reds aren't trading Elly and they shouldn't. It might be a mistake as he may not improve. But he has superstar potential. You don't trade that away for a pitcher. Pitchers are just too injury prone.
However the Marlins always have good young pitchers. Arroyo for some young pitchers wouldn't be a bad gamble.

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Forget about FA “frontline” starting pitching. There are too many teams who have more funds than the Reds who will make 12-year $600 million offers to 30 year old pitchers.

I have said from the beginning that there are only perhaps five young pitchers in all of baseball that I would consider trading the Reds’ young talent for. And 3-4 of those 5 pitchers are with the Marlins. I would absolutely trade EDLC for one of those Marlin pitchers. However, I think the Marlins FO would look at Elly’s production and laugh at any offer the Reds make.

Plus, the Marlins are still smarting over losing Luis Castillo to the Reds. Who the Reds really need to target is the Marlins scouts who seem to be able to find excellent young pitchers and bring them into the organization.

The Marlins would trade anyone in their system for Elly in a heartbeat.

[foster15]

According to some here, while we know that Berraro isn't worth much, teams like the Mets were willing to give up a king's ransom for him because they didn't know. Maybe we can pull the wool over the Marlins' eyes too.

[OldFashionedRed]

Some say that EDLC has superstar potential, but that's based on what exactly? His numbers in the minors don't scream superstar to me, I don't think they would to the Marlins, either. Is it because of his hot streak when he came up? His 3 stolen bases in one inning? The media said so? The Marlins would say his numbers are laughable, and that there needs to be more at-bats from him. The last part is why I wouldn't get rid of him.

[VR]

Newman for Perez.


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[Mitri]

This franchise shouldn’t be in the business of shedding offense IMO

[westofyou]

Some say that EDLC has superstar potential, but that's based on what exactly? His numbers in the minors don't scream superstar to me, I don't think they would to the Marlins, either. Is it because of his hot streak when he came up? His 3 stolen bases in one inning? The media said so? The Marlins would say his numbers are laughable, and that there needs to be more at-bats from him. The last part is why I wouldn't get rid of him.

Scouts say that he has it, guys who watch baseball every day

He's 21 years old, how many players are successful at this level at the age?

Do you know?

How many will have 30 steals and 30 + EBHs in less than 400 PAs, play SS and Third?

[westofyou]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...is-winter.html

So, just how much do you think we could get for Elly? (Cue riots)

I'm not serious, but I'm not not serious.... No idea what their system is like, but there's a return including truly top-end pitching that would make me think long and hard. I can just imagine how he'd be received in Miami.

And an infield of CES, Steer, McLain, Marte in some configuration works just fine.

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Maybe they can get Ernie Broglio?

[Tony Cloninger]

If this was the early 2000s and it was for Tim Hudson or even Mulder or Zito or name any 1st or 2nd year starter that you knew would and could give you 4-6 years at worst of what was acceptable starting pitching maybe you think
About doing it. Especially if you didn’t think there was any chance of signing an extension with the player you have.


That does not exist anymore. Besides Alcantara and maybe a couple of others ? Cole from the Yankees? Starters are like RB in football at this point. They are so devalued because you can’t let them throw more than 100-110 at best pitches a start. You can’t have them go more than 6-7 innings at best. 31-32 starts at best. No one gives you the kind of value a regular starting player does. Most teams barely have 1 who can do that. The good ones like the Braves give you maybe 3.