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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlaskaReds View Post
    Wow, thats crazy our system is that deep. I remember CES was 18th for Minnesota when we acquired him so I wouldn't doubt there's a difference maker or two in there. Who would you say are the few lower ranked prospects to watch out for next year?
    Personally I think some people are underrating Tyler Callihan. Although he's pretty much a bat-only prospect, I could see his plate discipline improving combined with some of his doubles turning into home runs. If not for the pandemic and injuries, some of that development might have happened by now. I'm not saying he'll be a first-division starter, but I think he deserves to be much higher than the edge of the top-50.

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Thanks to BZ for the excellent lists. Putting aside the obvious top few prospects, here are five guys whom I find interesting.

    1. Rece Hinds. Reds have a number of LHH platoon outfielders and Hinds could supply much needed RH power. He could help turn GABP into a more advantageous venue for Reds.

    2. Blake Dunn. Along the same lines, he could begin by backing Friedl against LHP and maybe eventually play CF most of the time (Friedl could go to left where he is excellent). Dunn’s athleticism is of great interest as Reds still aren’t there yet defensively.

    3, Ty Floyd. Veteran SP is expensive and Reds seem very focused on developing in-house starters. Floyd is a top notch arm they might devote to the pen. Floyd and Diaz at the back end could help Reds pin down close wins for several years.

    4. Carlos Jose. Very happy to read that he’s now playing some CF. I was dubious because he was a non-shortstop infielder. In CF, with his bat, Reds could have a dynamic player in a few years.

    5. Tyler Callahan. Could he develop into a LH Spencer Steer type player? His emergence late this season, if it holds, is reassuring. When drafted, he was sold to Reds fans as a hit-tool guy. Even if he floats defensively, or comes off the bench, a consistent LH bat is great to have around. The progress must continue but he’s 23, there’s time.
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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    I'm dumb and forgot Abbott existed.

    Phillips would be the sixth starter, behind Greene, Lodolo, Ashcraft, Williamson, and Abbott. He'd start his season in Louisville (if everyone else is healthy), with Lively, Kennedy, Richardson, and a AAAA free agent, Roa, Stoudt, or Spiers. The others, IMO, would become relievers, first at Louisville then in the majors. (I like Stoudt as a serviceable middle relief guy who rides the I-71 shuttle. Roa could be interesting as either MR or late-inning. I like Richardson as a Lucas Sims type-- a permanent addition to the parent club who could provide real value.)

    Lots of depth in the Red pitching pipeline, suddenly. Williamson's development into a league average-ish (or better) starter has given them several options beyond prayer, bailing twine, and "Gully can fix 'em".

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    I'm not a huge fan of Stafura, as I wrote. I like Serwinowski more, if only because the Reds have shown over the past few seasons that they can develop pitching.
    I don't think Lodolo has done enough to be penciled in as a starter. He's going to have to earn his spot by showing that he can go 6 effective innings and stay healthy

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    5. Tyler Callahan. Could he develop into a LH Spencer Steer type player? His emergence late this season, if it holds, is reassuring. When drafted, he was sold to Reds fans as a hit-tool guy. Even if he floats defensively, or comes off the bench, a consistent LH bat is great to have around. The progress must continue but he’s 23, there’s time.
    He's had a good start at AA, but I think his defensive limitations (they've had him at 2B only all year), make the Steer comparisons pie in the sky. Also has not shown the ability to take a walk they way Steer always did. He can still improve, of course, and the fact he's a lefty hitting infielder helps his cause (though having Arroyo ahead of him complicates matters for Tyler).

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Some postseason awards out of the High-A Midwest League: Starting pitcher - Julian Aguiar. Shortstop - Edwin Arroyo. Arroyo was also named as the top ML prospect in the league.

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Quote Originally Posted by lollipopcurve View Post
    He's had a good start at AA, but I think his defensive limitations (they've had him at 2B only all year), make the Steer comparisons pie in the sky. Also has not shown the ability to take a walk they way Steer always did. He can still improve, of course, and the fact he's a lefty hitting infielder helps his cause (though having Arroyo ahead of him complicates matters for Tyler).
    Callihan has played both second and third (over 500 innings), and a little first base too. He’s not a former shortstop like Steer, but I don’t see why he can’t become a similar utility TYPE if he continues to hit. Maybe he could pick up LF as Steer has done.

    As for walks, in his AA stint Callihan had a 13% walk rate. It’s a relatively small sample, but earlier this year at A+ he was at 8.3%, not bad. So he’s already showed improvement in that area.

    So I asked the question whether Steer - as a type - is a good comp looking forward. It’s a reasonable goal, IMO. And Callihan could co-exist with Arroyo, Callihan is never going to be a shortstop and would have a different role.
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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    If Callihan turns into a useful player, I'll admit I was wrong. Every time I saw him in person in Dayton, I questioned why he was out there. I just never saw anything from him.

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Callihan has played both second and third (over 500 innings), and a little first base too. Heís not a former shortstop like Steer, but I donít see why he canít become a similar utility TYPE if he continues to hit. Maybe he could pick up LF as Steer has done.

    As for walks, in his AA stint Callihan had a 13% walk rate. Itís a relatively small sample, but earlier this year at A+ he was at 8.3%, not bad. So heís already showed improvement in that area.

    So I asked the question whether Steer - as a type - is a good comp looking forward. Itís a reasonable goal, IMO. And Callihan could co-exist with Arroyo, Callihan is never going to be a shortstop and would have a different role.
    I think Callihan may be poised for an uptick. He needs to be protected on the 40 man roster and I think the Reds should do that. He's a lefty bat with a solid it tool who plays positions dominated by RH Hitters in the system. He's a perfect bench option for mid to later in 2024. Probably a bat first UI IF who hits lefty along the lines of Jed Lowrie is his best case. That doesn't make him a top prospect, but if he develops into that, it's a useful piece that isn't easily available on the market.
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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    I don’t think there is any way the Reds would lose him in the rule 5 draft.

    Rule 5 eligible

    Jhonny Pereda
    Eric Yang
    Alex McGarry
    Francisco Urbaez
    Nick Northcut
    Miguel Hernandez
    Jacob Hurtubise
    Drew Mount
    Christian Roa
    Zach Brown
    Ryan Nutof
    Pedro Garcia
    Evan Kravitz
    Eddy Demurias
    Danis Correa
    Matt Pidich
    Daniel Velojin
    James Free
    Tyler Callihan
    Ivan Johnson
    Quincy McAfee
    Steven Leyton
    Jose Torres
    Austin Callahan
    Nick Quintana
    Rece Hinds
    Connor Curlis
    Vin Timpanelli
    Andy Fisher
    Spencer Stockton
    Michael Byrne
    Jake Gozzo
    Braxton Roxby
    Jayvien Sandridge
    Yan Contreras
    Wendell Marrero
    Bryce Bonnin
    Jose Acuna
    Tanner Cooper
    Jacob Heatherly
    Brooks Crawford
    Myles Gayman
    Juan Garcia
    Michel Triana
    Yassel Pino
    Johnny Ascanio
    Yerlin Confidan
    Donovan Antonio
    Gabriel Aguilera
    Lewis Mey
    Andrew Salcedo
    Deivid Alcantera
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    40 man roster spots are going to be harder to come by as the team imrooves. Hinds, Hurtubise and Acuna are the only ones on that list I'd for sure put on the 40, and even then I doubt a team would claim Hurtubise or Acuna.

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    I would protect 10 guys before Callihan.

    He's just not the type to be taken in the Rule 5.

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    There were 15 players selected in this seasons rule 5 draft. all but 2 were pitchers. Hinds and maybe Hurtubise are the only position players i think we could possibly lose and i’m not sure either would be taken. In the pitching side, Christian Roa could possibly be taken. Maybe AcuŮa but i’m not sure a team would be willing to stash him on their team for a year. I’m not sure of the rules for injured players but maybe someone would take a chance on Bonnin. he probably has more talent than anyone on the list and if he don’t recover from his injury they could just send him back to Cincinnati.

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    Re: End-of-Season Prospect Lists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Callihan has played both second and third (over 500 innings), and a little first base too. He’s not a former shortstop like Steer, but I don’t see why he can’t become a similar utility TYPE if he continues to hit. Maybe he could pick up LF as Steer has done.

    As for walks, in his AA stint Callihan had a 13% walk rate. It’s a relatively small sample, but earlier this year at A+ he was at 8.3%, not bad. So he’s already showed improvement in that area.

    So I asked the question whether Steer - as a type - is a good comp looking forward. It’s a reasonable goal, IMO. And Callihan could co-exist with Arroyo, Callihan is never going to be a shortstop and would have a different role.
    I like the optimism re: Callihan, but for me it's a real stretch when it comes to his defense. It's significant that the Reds abandoned having him play any 3B in 2023. And it's easy to see why -- his fielding percentage at 3B in 2022 was .904. He has not been playable there. He made 15 errors this year, mostly at 2B (a few at 1B). You point out he's not a SS, therefore not redundant with Arroyo. What if Arroyo moves to 2B in deference to Elly? What if the Reds decide to make Arroyo a multi-position player while McLain, Elly and Marte hold down the regular IF spots? That would give them a lefty-hitting utility guy who can play anywhere on the INF and play it well. I just think the road is not clear for Callihan, not at all. The hot start he had at Chattanooga is good to see, but personally I don't see a developmental path for him at the close of this year. Certainly not one worth a 40 man spot going into next year.

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    I think if Arroyo makes the majors, it will be as the SS. providing he can hit. He is the best defensive SS in the system. he’s not the one that should be moved.

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    What do we know aout Bonnin's readiness? If he's healthy, I'd say he's one of the three most likely to be taken on that list. (with Hinds and Roa)


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