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    Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    This is where I think each pitcher would start next season, just taking into account their stats and experience. not taking into account team needs. obviously there are to many pitchers in A ball but Iím not trying to figure that out yet.


    Cincinnati Reds
    1. Hunter Greene
    2. Nick Lodolo
    3. Graham Ashcraft
    4. Andrew Abbott
    5. Brandon Williamson or Connor Phillips

    Louisville Bats
    1. Brandon Williamson or Connor Phillips
    2. Lyon Richardson
    3. Christian Roa
    4. Carson Spires

    Chattanooga Lookouts
    1. Chase Petty
    2. Julian Aguiar
    3. Thomas Farr
    4. Sam Benschoter

    Dayton Dragons
    1. Javi Rivera
    2. Jose Acuna
    3. Ty Floyd
    4. Rhett Lowder
    5. Ryan Cardona
    6. Johnathan Harmon
    7. Chris McElvain
    8. Hunter Parks

    Daytona Tortugas
    1. Kenya Huggins
    2. Bryce Hubbart
    3. Jose Franco
    5. Adam Serwinowski
    6. Hunter Hollan
    7. Cole Schoenwetter
    8. Nestor Lorant
    9. Reynaldo Cruz
    10. Ben Brutti
    11. Arij Fransen
    11. Mason Pelio
    12. Jared Lyons

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Should Levi Stoudt be penciled into AAA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    Should Levi Stoudt be penciled into AAA?
    I considered that but think heís probably moving to the bullpen

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    They're going to have to do better than Greene and Lodolo for a #1 and 2. Lodolo is about as big a question mark as it gets and Greene hasn't shown the consistency of a #1 yet. They have plenty of $ t go get a legit vet SP.

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    They'll never do it but I'd l9ve to see Lodolo become a piggyback for Connor Philips. Would be a good righty lefty combo every 5th day and could save the pen most times through.

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Aguiar could be pushed to AAA quickly.

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by JCM11 View Post
    They're going to have to do better than Greene and Lodolo for a #1 and 2. Lodolo is about as big a question mark as it gets and Greene hasn't shown the consistency of a #1 yet. They have plenty of $ t go get a legit vet SP.
    Yes. This team doesn't have a 1 or a 2. Maybe if you do the simple calculation and divide into chunks of 30, but we all know that about half the guys making starts today are guys teams would rather not give the ball to. I figure there are about 10 number 1s, 20 number 2s, another 40 or so 3s and 4s. Everybody else is somebody you'd rather not make any starts.

    On the Reds staff, I consider Greene and Abbott number 3s at best. Ashcraft and Williamson probably numbers 4s. Lodolo is nothing more than a candidate at this point. The rest are minor leaguers (Phillips, Richardson) or relievers making spot starts (Spiers, Lively, Stoudt, etc.). This team needs somebody at least as good as Greene, but probably better. Let the guys at the bottom part of the rotation sort it out with performance and the losers of the competition can be depth options in long relief or at AAA, not guys to write into the plan before opening day.

    The one place to not worry about having too many guys on paper is the rotation.
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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Counting on Lodolo as a #2 at this point seems a stretch. I have more confidence in Williamson having a good year next year than him.
    School's out. What did you expect?

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Yes. This team doesn't have a 1 or a 2. Maybe if you do the simple calculation and divide into chunks of 30, but we all know that about half the guys making starts today are guys teams would rather not give the ball to. I figure there are about 10 number 1s, 20 number 2s, another 40 or so 3s and 4s.
    We disagree on the numbers you state and the dismissal of league average starters.

    Without Graham Ashcraft and Brandon Williams-- two league average starters who'd be among those "teams would rather not give the ball to"-- the Reds don't sniff .500.

    That said, we do agree, at least, on the Reds needing a TOR starter to front their rotation. (They won't get one, of course, because they'll cry poverty-- but they should get more good pitching if they want to compete for playoffs and pennants.)

    I'm also of the opinion that they need at least one elite relief arm. Josh Hader should be available-- he'd be my first target. (And arguably, my first target overall.)

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Can't wait for another 6 months of "Hunter Greene is a BOR starter, at best" talk.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Can't wait for another 6 months of "Hunter Greene is a BOR starter, at best" talk.
    I can see people making an argument that he's closer to a BOR than TOR, and with a 4.71 ERA and 4.32 FIP it's a valid argument. Greene only pitched 107 innings so far so it's doubtful he'll be able to carry a TOR SP load next year. Lodolo will probably be lucky to hit 100 inning even if he doesn't suffer his usual injury. The Reds need a dependable veteran at the front of their rotation to help stabilize the entire pitching staff.

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Greene has flashed way, way better than a BOR or MOR starter. If he can harness that performance (and it looks like he will), he'll be atop the Reds' rotation for this run of greatness they're about to go on.
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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    Greene has flashed way, way better than a BOR or MOR starter. If he can harness that performance (and it looks like he will), he'll be atop the Reds' rotation for this run of greatness they're about to go on.
    There's no question that he's flashed greatness, but the overall numbers are a 4.71 ERA. This team need consistency at the top of the rotation to stabilize things. Greene is still a wild card and Lodolo is a lotto ticket.

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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    We disagree on the numbers you state and the dismissal of league average starters.

    Without Graham Ashcraft and Brandon Williams-- two league average starters who'd be among those "teams would rather not give the ball to"-- the Reds don't sniff .500.

    That said, we do agree, at least, on the Reds needing a TOR starter to front their rotation. (They won't get one, of course, because they'll cry poverty-- but they should get more good pitching if they want to compete for playoffs and pennants.)

    I'm also of the opinion that they need at least one elite relief arm. Josh Hader should be available-- he'd be my first target. (And arguably, my first target overall.)
    I didn't dismiss Ashcraft and Williamson. The part of my post you excluded from your quote clearly states that I think they are number 4s at this point which would put them in the top 70 starters that teams actually want to give the ball to. You frequently misquote people when making your posts.

    The key to a good rotation is to limit the starts of those guys not in the top 70. This year, Luke Weaver 21 starts, Ben Lively 12 starts, Luis Cessa 6 Starts, Brett Kennedy 2 starts, Lyon Richardson 4 starts, Connor Overton 3 starts, Levi Stoudt 2 starts, That's 50 starts from guys who don't belong starting major league games. Plenty of room to add another starter who at best would make 32 starts.

    I think we agree on the needs. They need a late inning reliever better than the Sims, Gibaut middle reliever level and they need a frontline starter (not necessarily a number 1) who is better than the back of the rotation dreck that makes about 50% of the big league starts.
    Last edited by mth123; 09-27-2023 at 05:34 PM.
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    Re: Reds Starting Pitcher Depth

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I didn't dismiss Ashcraft and Williamson. The part of my post you excluded from your quote clearly states that I think they are number 4s at this point which would put them in the top 70 starters that teams actually want to give the ball to. You frequently misquote people when making your posts.
    I don't misquote you, mth. You're just wrong and trying to move goalposts.

    Neither Ashcraft nor Williamson were among the top half of would-be starters for either the Reds or in the league when the season began.

    They might be now-- but they weren't.

    They were just as questionable as the rest of the guys you mentioned at the beginning of the season. (In Williamson's case, perhaps moreso.)
    Last edited by Bourgeois Zee; 09-27-2023 at 08:53 PM.


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