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    Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    The Cincinnati Reds were a fun team, but a flawed one in 2023. No flaw more great than their starting pitching.

    Health can do most of the fixing, but adding one more reinforcement will help make this a playoff rotation.

    The Reds will look to make a dramatic flip in their production from the starting rotation. They’re 5.43 ERA was the third-worst in Major League Baseball last season.

    Cincinnati averaged less than five innings per start and had the seventh-highest walk rate in the league. Also, it would be nice to add a starter that can force hitters to ground out, especially with Great American Ballpark being a launching pad for home runs.

    The Reds had the third-lowest ground ball rate in the majors last season.

    Their projected payroll, including potential arbitration raises, still falls under $50 million. Given the Reds increase in revenue that most likely occurred through ticket sales increases and TV audience growth, they should have enough capital to work with to bring in a substantial increase in talent for the rotation.

    Here are a few starting options that they could target in free agency:

    Sonny Gray, RHP, Twins
    Jordan Montgomery, LHP, Rangers
    Michael Wacha, RHP, Padres

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

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    “Could” says it all.
    “You'll never win anything with kids", Alan Hansen, 19 August 1995. How wrong he was.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Clickbait
    Where we gonna go?

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Jordan Montgomery, LHP, Rangers
    Potential Contract $18.4 Million AAV (Spotrac.com)


    Michael Wacha, RHP, Padres
    Potential Contract $18.1 Million AAV (Spotrac.com)


    Potential Contract AAV (Spotrac.com)
    I'll take Montgomery over Wacha all day long.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Jordan Montgomery, LHP, Rangers
    Potential Contract $18.4 Million AAV (Spotrac.com)


    Michael Wacha, RHP, Padres
    Potential Contract $18.1 Million AAV (Spotrac.com)


    Potential Contract AAV (Spotrac.com)
    I'll take Montgomery over Wacha all day long.
    Montgomery will clear 20 million AAV and maybe hit 25. I don't think Wacha gets close to 18 unless it's a one year deal, and even then is unlikely.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Montgomery and Gray would be defensible gets. Both have upside aplenty and can log innings.

    Wacha's a MOR innings eater type-- valuable, but not nearly as much as the two former pitchers.

    If the Reds want to compete for pennants, they're going to need at least two TOR guys. I could see banking on one current guy to get there-- Greene, Ashcraft, Lodolo, and Abbott have all shown brief flashes of being that guy-- but banking on more than one to get there is penny wise and pound foolish. It's fiscal responsibility running the team instead of actual attempts at winning.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    We'll probably be lucky to get any of them.
    May the Lord bless

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Quote Originally Posted by wlf WV View Post
    We'll probably be lucky to get any of them.
    What's sad is that the Reds, as currently constructed, are:

    1.) As close to an actual competitive team as they've been since 2012. They have talent enough to be in the Wild Card hunt without any additional help. They might, with health and luck, even earn the NL Central pennant.

    2.) Really young-- and, as a result, really inexpensive. Their team payroll for this season-- assuming they jettison both Law and Senzel and only add minimum salaried players-- is just over $50M. Total. And that includes the pay outs for Votto, Moustakas, Casali, and Myers.

    3.) Still short at least one difference-making starter and one difference-making reliever-- and maybe an offensive upgrade or two. They need a TOR guy (at least) and a back-end bullpen guy. And can absolutely afford to go top shelf for both.

    4.) Unlikely to address those deficiencies with real talent despite the current low payroll and relative paucity of needs. It's not in the team DNA, and too many "fans" seem to accept financial excuses as both gospel and an odd badge of honor.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    I'm not interested in Wacha at those kinds of prices. Time to have gotten Wacha was two years ago, when he was relatively inexpensive and coming off of a bad year but one in which he finished strong. But I don't see him moving the needle enough to be worth 18+. Montgomery would help, I think, but I doubt the Reds are going to be able to get him. He's likely to be one of the three or four top targets for all the richest clubs. Rather than either, I hope the FO takes a serious look at Jack Flaherty. He's been in the past a better pitcher than either Montgomery or Wacha, he's still only 28 and, if healthy, has, IMO, more upside not only than those two but perhaps of anybody available in the FA market. He's coming off multiple years of injury but threw very close to a full starting load last year (ca. 140 IIRC). Spotrac has him at 11 AAV, and I suspect their numbers are a little high on the pitchers outside the most obvious half dozen top candidates. If he's healthy, a 2 or 3 year deal might be well worth doing.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Aren’t you all fed up with the addition of “depth starters” or guys “coming back from injury” or guys who had potential but “never lived up?”

    For goodness sake, Reds have their lowest MLB payroll in years, go out and sign a real starting pitcher who is healthy, productive, and still in his prime.

    If a Jordan Montgomery cost $20+ million, then that’s the going rate. Why shouldn’t reds pay the going rate for an anchor starter to lead the young rotation? I’m sick of reading how Reds can save money by going for less.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    How about Per MLB Rumors projections.

    Wacha 3-36
    Lugo 3-42
    Hicks 4-40

    About 36M AAV.

    Put Ashcraft in Pen as Long Man - Next man in rotation.
    Put Williamson in Pen as Long Man - Second man in rotation.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Under no circumstances should Ashcraft move to the bullpen.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Quote Originally Posted by Coopdaddy67 View Post
    Under no circumstances should Ashcraft move to the bullpen.
    If you sign 2 new starters who would you put in pen as long man?

    Green- New Contract
    Abbott- ?
    Lodolo- High upside

    I could see Lodolo with his heath issues. We know there will be injuries. Ashcraft first man to take over.

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Sonny Gray is the sweet spot here. Wacha isn't aiming high enough and Montgomery will probably take 6 or 7 years. Gray, at slightly more per year but for 3 or 4 years seems the right play.
    "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH

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    Re: Three Starting Pitchers The Reds Could Target In Free Agency

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Aren’t you all fed up with the addition of “depth starters” or guys “coming back from injury” or guys who had potential but “never lived up?”

    For goodness sake, Reds have their lowest MLB payroll in years, go out and sign a real starting pitcher who is healthy, productive, and still in his prime.

    If a Jordan Montgomery cost $20+ million, then that’s the going rate. Why shouldn’t reds pay the going rate for an anchor starter to lead the young rotation? I’m sick of reading how Reds can save money by going for less.
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