Nick Krall Discusses The Reds' Free Agent Options

[Strikes Out Looking]

Fair enough. My point was, Lorenzen used to be part of "the young core of pitching that will lead us to greatness".
Now, a lot of posters on the board are glad that he was not added last year. It just goes to show how things change, that's what I meant.
Although if the Reds were to sign Lorenzen this winter, suddenly, he'd be embraced here

And he'll come into Spring Training looking fantastic.

[dragonoffrost]

Fair enough. My point was, Lorenzen used to be part of "the young core of pitching that will lead us to greatness".
Now, a lot of posters on the board are glad that he was not added last year. It just goes to show how things change, that's what I meant.
Although if the Reds were to sign Lorenzen this winter, suddenly, he'd be embraced here

Not for me with what Sportrac is saying he'd draw. Someone else can pay him 8-9 Million a year.

[Coopdaddy67]

Man, I don't know about all that. Charlie Morton has been good for a very long time.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ortoch02.shtml

Morton had a 92 ERA+, 4.7 WAR, 1.37 WHIP and 3.95 FIP through his age 34 season prior to his 2-year deal with TB.

Gray has a 121 ERA+, 30.2 WAR (2023 alone was 5.3 WAR), 1.20 WHIP and a 3.57 FIP.

[REDREAD]

Not for me with what Sportrac is saying he'd draw. Someone else can pay him 8-9 Million a year.

Maybe not you, but the majority of the board will rally around whatever new person comes in.
It's not a bad thing, but it's pretty predictable.
I've been guilty of it too.. As a fan (other than the Walt era), we've gotten so little "win now" help through trades or signings, it's exciting when they do anything.