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    Re: #2 Pick

    Quote Originally Posted by podgejeff_ View Post
    Called it.

    I'm team Condon or Cags for #2.
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    Re: #2 Pick

    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    *5.2 IP / 5 H / 4 ER / 2 BB / 6 K (62% K)

    This means literally nothing to me.

    This stat line means he pitched into the 6th inning while giving up 5 hits and walking 2. He also struck out 6 batters.

    He gave up 4 total earned runs, and this stat line does not state how many unearned runs game through while he was on the mound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Big View Post
    This stat line means he pitched into the 6th inning while giving up 5 hits and walking 2. He also struck out 6 batters.

    He gave up 4 total earned runs, and this stat line does not state how many unearned runs game through while he was on the mound.
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    And when you get to the MLB level, there are even more confusing statistics, such as ERA+, WHIP, etc.

    Now with these, I am even with you- some of these complex stats do not even mean anything to me (and I am a former player and pretty astute follower of the game).

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    I understand the stat line. I’m saying it doesn’t matter because Cags is not going to pitch as a pro
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    Re: #2 Pick

    Quote Originally Posted by JCM11 View Post
    Or you could say Condon is Dylan Crews 2.0 who is OPS'ing .770 in AA right now after being last year's greatest ever. I liked Langford more than Crews last year offensively because Langford looked more physical with an MLB body and his batted ball profile was more hard hit balls in the air. I think Condon probably has a better profile than Crews with more power at 6'5, but Cags is on another level when it comes to power and bat speed to my eyes. I tend to trust the left hand bats more though I don't really have data to back that up. It seems most of the big college draft busts recently at the top have been right hand hitters. I'm not counting Crews as a bust yet FTR.
    Crews didn't hit in the same stratosphere of power as Condon. Comparing senior seasons, Crews had half the home runs and 300 points less SLG. Roughly equivalent OBP. Condon actually hit for a slightly higher average. Different defensive players as well.

    And at the end of the day you can point to anyone's scouting report and say "I see failure from the past here". If we end up with Cags, I won't complain. I believe both are gonna be good at the end of the day.

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    Re: #2 Pick

    Quote Originally Posted by podgejeff_ View Post
    I tend to err on "greatest offensive season in SEC history" myself.
    Didn't that season/profile used to be called "Brandon Larson"?

    Not a criticism, just a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backbencher View Post
    Didn't that season/profile used to be called "Brandon Larson"?

    Not a criticism, just a grain of salt.
    I mean, to add on to it, it was also Nick Senzel.

    But I'd rather that be true than "he didn't produce at the level we thought he would".

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    Quote Originally Posted by backbencher View Post
    Didn't that season/profile used to be called "Brandon Larson"?
    Nope.

    Rafael Palmeiro won the SEC Triple Crown for MSU in 1984 with a .415/ .491/ .886/ 1.376 line. That was considered the greatest season in SEC baseball history-- until his teammate Will Clark (.420/ .539/ .853/ 1.392) bettered it in 1985. Brent Rooker, in 2017, won the SEC Triple Crown (.387/ .495/ .810/ 1.306), only the second person to ever do that. Last year's Dylan Crews' numbers were ridiculously good: .426/ .567/ .713/ 1.280. I believe they're slightly worse than Rooker's but significantly better than either Palmeiro's or Clark's (who hit with live bats).

    No one has touched Charlie Condon's 2024, though. It's in another stratosphere, statistically. Since the 2011 switch to BBCOR bats, Condon's clearly had the most ridiculously productive season in NCAA baseball. He set the HR mark, of course. He leads the NCAA in BA too. He's third in on-base percentage, 11th in RBI and a 1.000+ slugging percentage. His OPS is 1.568.

    To put that into context, Joc Caglianone, whom most people insist is close to Condon's equal if not his better, is at .411/ .532/ .860/ 1.392. That's nearly 200 points of OPS below.

    Brandon Larson, pre-BBCOR bats, put up a line of .381/ .413/ .865/ 1.278. Good, certainly, but it's not close to any of the guys mentioned here.

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    Re: #2 Pick

    Campaigns completed:
    Travis Bazzana - 1-7 / 2 BB / 3 K - Oregon State Eliminated
    JJ Wetherholt - 1-8 / 2 K - West Virginia Eliminated
    Brandon Montgomery - 0-0 - Suffered broken right ankle - Texas A&M advances to MCWS but Montgomery season over.
    Charlie Condon - 2-11 / HR / RBI / 2 R / HBP/ 2 BB / 2 Ks - Georgia Eliminated

    On to the MCWS:
    Jac Caglianone - 3-7 / 2 HR / 4 R / 5 RBI / 4 BB / 2 K
    *5.2 IP / 5 H / 4 ER / 2 BB / 6 K (62% K)


    Condons postseason ends with a loss to NC State. He went 1-4 with a HR, HBP, and 2 Ks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    No one has touched Charlie Condon's 2024, though. It's in another stratosphere, statistically. Since the 2011 switch to BBCOR bats, Condon's clearly had the most ridiculously productive season in NCAA baseball. He set the HR mark, of course. He leads the NCAA in BA too. He's third in on-base percentage, 11th in RBI and a 1.000+ slugging percentage. His OPS is 1.568.

    To put that into context, Joc Caglianone, whom most people insist is close to Condon's equal if not his better, is at .411/ .532/ .860/ 1.392. That's nearly 200 points of OPS below.
    I know its not the same conference or whatever, but Condon and Bazzana whacking three home runs a night for the past several months was so cartoonish it seems hard to even draw conclusions from. The numbers that were using to dismiss Caglianone are Barry Bonds prime.

    A good hitter can absolutely flame the 2024 college environment. Im not terribly comfortable reading much more finely into it.

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    I think Condon is legit, but I have to say, watching a lot of college baseball the last couple weeks I have noticed there are quite a few non-prospects having incredible seasons. It has given me pause.
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    Caglianone is the guy. And I’m worried now that we aren’t going to get the opportunity to pick him. I think CLE is going to snag him. That would leave us with Condon/Bazzana, which is hardly disappointing, but it would stink to watch him as an indian guardian.
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    Its Cags for me. The raw power is off the charts and how well he hits lefties as a lefty is ridiculous. Come July it would not surprise me at all to see him go #1 overall.


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