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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    A Rosario, Steer, India outfield would be something to see defensively, but if they could sign Chapman I'd live with it. (Spoiler alert, they aren't signing Chapman, but man I wish they would)
    You realize the post you're quoting is talking about the corner spots, right?

    There's a guy in CF between those two guys-- and if the Phillies can play Schwarber and Castellanos and win big, the Reds can play Rosario/ India and Fraley/ Steer.


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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    If the Reds sign, say, Matt Chapman, they can live with a lesser OF acquisition-- perhaps Amed Rosario (109 OPS+ career) or Jonathan India and Fraley (101 OPS+ career) in RF and Steer in LF.

    You can get there a multitude of ways.
    Sure. I love Chapman and I'd be happy if they signed him. Why sign him when the Stewart, Collier and Marte all play 3B, CES can play 1B which would kick Candelario to 3B and Arroyo is yet another IF option? OF is where the biggest need is immediately and down the road and OF is where they should put their dollars.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    You realize the post you're quoting is talking about the corner spots, right?

    There's a guy in CF between those two guys-- and if the Phillies can play Schwarber and Castellanos and win big, the Reds can play Rosario/ India and Fraley/ Steer.
    Can you just take it that I agree with you that the Reds should sign Chapman? Friedl is going to be the starting CF, but at some point in the season if those three guys are playing outfield, there's going to be a time when all three of them are going to be playing out there, and it's going to be something to see.

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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    No, but India will likely be the full-time DH and lead-off hitter. Has nothing to do with 3B.
    I never mentioned 3B.

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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    I imagine a lot of falling down and possibly heat stroke.
    From the players or the fans?
    ...the 2-2 to Woodsen and here it comes...and it is swung on and missed! And Tom Browning has pitched a perfect game! Twenty-seven outs in a row, and he is being mobbed by his teammates, just to the thirdbase side of the mound.

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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Sure. I love Chapman and I'd be happy if they signed him. Why sign him when the Stewart, Collier and Marte all play 3B, CES can play 1B which would kick Candelario to 3B and Arroyo is yet another IF option? OF is where the biggest need is immediately and down the road and OF is where they should put their dollars.
    For the same reason you advocate for signing a starter for next year despite having Greene/Lodolo/Abbott/Ashcraft/Lowder/Aguilar/Williamson/Richardson/Phillips/Petty/Burns
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Not sure if I've ever seen someone get as consistently hot as Espinal after such a poor long (3 months plus) beginning. For the year, he's up to a .295/ .348/ .514/ .862 line against LHP.

    I'd be fine with Espinal as a short-side platoon guy and defensive replacement at 3B.

    That would mean one of Candelario, CES, or Marte would likely have to be in either AAA or on another team.
    Candelario needs to be purged any way that's possible.

    CES is one of a number of candidates that are hit potential/no glove that needs to go to AAA or moved from the roster via trade. Can't have 3+ average hit (or potential hit)/no glove on the roster at the same time, when there's only 162 games with the DH and India/Stephenson are likely to get 50% or more of them. Can run a decent lineup out there with 2 of them, sacrificing one of the corner spots, but when you start sacrificing 2, 3 of the Corner spots to no glove guys, the Defense and Pitching and one-run negative outcomes take a huge hit.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    For the same reason you advocate for signing a starter for next year despite having Greene/Lodolo/Abbott/Ashcraft/Lowder/Aguilar/Williamson/Richardson/Phillips/Petty/Burns
    But that group needs 5 guys to start and the starting pitcher has the biggest impact on the game they play on any given day. I'm only looking for a guy on a one year deal. Espinal serves that purpose at 3B. They don't have a comparable guy for the rotation. The long term clean-up guy should play another position. I like Collier and Stewart as prospects better than any of Williamson, Ashcraft, Phillips or Petty. Burns is a 2026 option. They may need those other starter for any of the 5 positions that miss time and they would still be addressing the offense by signing an OF.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

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    But that group needs 5 guys to start and the starting pitcher has the biggest impact on the game they play on any given day. I'm only looking for a guy on a one year deal. Espinal serves that purpose at 3B. They don't have a comparable guy for the rotation. The long term clean-up guy should play another position. I like Collier and Stewart as prospects better than any of Williamson, Ashcraft, Phillips or Petty. Burns is a 2026 option. They may need those other starter for any of the 5 positions that miss time and they would still be addressing the offense by signing an OF.
    You like winning. You don't let Stewart/Collier/Marte get in the way of Matt Chapman. Just like you wouldn't let that group get in the way of a starting pitcher. Yes, OF is the bigger long term need but you go get the bat, IMO.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyInTheBank View Post
    You like winning. You don't let Stewart/Collier/Marte get in the way of Matt Chapman. Just like you wouldn't let that group get in the way of a starting pitcher. Yes, OF is the bigger long term need but you go get the bat, IMO.
    I agree, but if you sign Chapman, you still have a major hole in the OF. If they can't get an OF, then I'd like to sign Chapman, but if they have the choice, OF is a better use of resources. Espinal at 3B plus a big ticket RF > Chapman at 3B and one of the OF menagerie in RF. Assume Chapman and the OF they'd sign is a wash. I'd rather have Espinal playing 3B than any of those OF playing RF.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Cincinnati Reds utility player Santiago Espinal frequently practices with a unique training glove. It’s so small that it looks like it was made for a five-year-old. Inside of the webbing, there are big red pads that take up the bulk of the space in the mitt.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/75050662007/
    I used to teach people to field two with two drills, both using just the person's hands and no glove at all. The benefit of both is that it teaches the person to play Defense with their feet, instead of being lazy and stabbing at balls. It also teaches to start with the hands much lower than normal, basically almost touching the ground so that the movement is always upward. It also teaches to never let the ball get to a point to where a bad hop "might" happen, charging the ball in all possible situations, and this eliminates the body from ever moving backwards and helps to plant for the throw with better form, control and with less time.

    With both drills, it would be done on cement (can still get a bad hop from a rock), with one drill against a wall where the person doing the catching also does the throwing so they can practice by themselves, with the goal being to make themselves move as much as possible with their feet so that they are ALWAYS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, catching the ball between their feet bringing and never letting a ball go under the glove. This helps set up the throwing motion. Any player who doesn't play Defense with their feet is a bad Defender with poor fundamentals. So many in the Majors and in all of baseball are bad Defenders, where they let the ball play them instead of them controlling the outcome.

    The other drill is a batted ball to the fielder, but the ball is a soft baseball so that getting a lot of reps in isn't going to kills the hands and fingers. Both drills, but especially this one, will instantly improve a player's defensive skillset after just 10 minutes of practice About 30 reps. The fielder will also have to learn that transfering from the glove hand to the throwing hand becomes smoother, and to not rely on the basket of the glove to make the catch, but more on exact placement of the ball into the glove with the throwing hand immediately finishing the catch and preparing to grip the ball for a proper throw.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Espinal has the best hands on the team and he makes contact as consistently as anyone on the team. He whiffs less often than almost anyone else in baseball, strikes out at an extraordinarily low rate, puts the ball in play and uses the entire field.
    "It's a great skill," Bell said. "It separates him. It's led to a lot of hits in big spots."
    This skillset is not BAbip-dependent. There's no "luck" involved. It's a skillset that's always going to lead to better things happening for the team. He doesn't get wasted outs. He doesn't kill rallies, but extends them and makes them possible. He doesn't strand runners on 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs.

    By the way, he also has double-digit steals with a good percentage. That's a lot of extra opportunities with a man in scoring position, while placing a lot of pressure on the opposing team, while opening up holes for the hitter at the plate. There are no stats for this. But, it helps to win ball-games.

    Santiago needs to be on the team regardless of what the arbitration number is. They won't get anyone as good as him for as much as Santiago will cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    Because they don't have anybody any better, so he enters 2025 as the starter. They have a number of candidates who will be in AA/AAA in 2025 (Marte, CES, Collier, Stewart, Arroyo), so investing in an acquisition to play ahead of Espinal seems a poor choice when the available investment dollars are desperately needed in the OF. When one of those young candidates looks like they would be worth giving the PAs, Espinal can go to the bench. Hopefully that happens by June of 2025, but right now, I don't want to start 2025 with any of those guys in the big-league line-up. I'd prefer winning and Espinal provides the best choice to win IMO until proven otherwise.
    It really doesn't need to be more complicated than this.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    This skillset is not BAbip-dependent. There's no "luck" involved. It's a skillset that's always going to lead to better things happening for the team. He doesn't get wasted outs. He doesn't kill rallies, but extends them and makes them possible. He doesn't strand runners on 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs.

    By the way, he also has double-digit steals with a good percentage. That's a lot of extra opportunities with a man in scoring position, while placing a lot of pressure on the opposing team, while opening up holes for the hitter at the plate. There are no stats for this. But, it helps to win ball-games.

    Santiago needs to be on the team regardless of what the arbitration number is. They won't get anyone as good as him for as much as Santiago will cost.

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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I agree, but if you sign Chapman, you still have a major hole in the OF. If they can't get an OF, then I'd like to sign Chapman, but if they have the choice, OF is a better use of resources. Espinal at 3B plus a big ticket RF > Chapman at 3B and one of the OF menagerie in RF. Assume Chapman and the OF they'd sign is a wash. I'd rather have Espinal playing 3B than any of those OF playing RF.
    I disagree on the major hole. If you go into 2025 with Steer, Friedl, Fraley/Hinds or <$5M platoon FA, that will be fine enough. Unless you are getting Soto, Bellinger or maybe Santander, I'm taking Chapman
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by CaiGuy View Post
    Espinal is as vanilla of a utility infielder as I can imagine...He's fine to have around on the bench but I have no idea why he warrants so much discussion and certainly don't understand the desire to see him in the starting lineup. He's 30 and has over 1300 MLB AB's, we know what he is at this point. If they want to keep him as a bench guy that's great.
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