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    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    He also hasn't played in 130 games since 2019, and will be 32 opening day. Seems like a bad bet to me for a team like the Reds who can't really afford to miss on free agent signings.
    The Reds are never going to spend the $ in FA to get a guaranteed star. They've never given a FA 20 million AAV in a deal ever. When you don't play in the market above the 15 mil AAV range you're not getting a no risk player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JCM11 View Post
    The Reds are never going to spend the $ in FA to get a guaranteed star. They've never given a FA 20 million AAV in a deal ever. When you don't play in the market above the 15 mil AAV range you're not getting a no risk player.
    Got it, I know the Reds historically don't hand out big FA contracts, but they have a window right now just like the Bengal's did with Burrow on his rookie contract, so since there's not a ton of money on the books for next year why not go for it in this window and go after Alonzo before the price tags on Elly and others goes up? Pipe dream, yes, but you want to show the fans you're all in...

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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by CySeymour View Post
    He also hasn't played in 130 games since 2019, and will be 32 opening day. Seems like a bad bet to me for a team like the Reds who can't really afford to miss on free agent signings.
    Counterpoint: Sounds like he'd fit right in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    Conforto is a perfectly fine backup plan 110 OPS+, but hopefully the Reds aim higher.
    He would be a good add. But it would take him and another comparable bat to him to make a big difference IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitri View Post
    Hard pass on Conforto. He’s just not good anymore.

    I’d make a play for Rooker. His bat is legit. Let him DH every day.

    I’d also consider moving Elly to CF and using Steer, Fraley, Friedl and occasionally Marte in the corners.

    McLain to SS, Marte/Candy 3B, India 2B, Candy/CES at first with Espinal on the bench.
    Not that I wouldn't want Alonso. But if they are going to spend that much on a player they should just go all out and get Soto instead.
    Neither of course is happening sadly.

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    If we're going to aim a little lower on an OF bat, I'd much rather go after Max Kepler than Conforto. Kepler is an excellent rightfielder. He does have some injury issues and his power has been inconsistent, but he also wouldn't really need to be platooned. He hits lefties well, at least in recent years.

    You would, however, need to get a big bopper at another position. Kepler wouldn't be enough of an offensive upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaiGuy View Post
    Espinal is as vanilla of a utility infielder as I can imagine...He's fine to have around on the bench but I have no idea why he warrants so much discussion and certainly don't understand the desire to see him in the starting lineup. He's 30 and has over 1300 MLB AB's, we know what he is at this point. If they want to keep him as a bench guy that's great.
    Good call. This thread has certainly died out. .172/.221/.188 in your last 68 PAs and an overall OPS+ of 81 (all not counting today's 0-3) will do that.

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    Jurickson Profar would be an outfielder I would like to see Cincinnati pursue. Making $1 million and that will go up this offseason after the All-Star year he has had. A switch hitting OF in the pitcher friendly Petco Park .381 OBP, .282 BA, 24 HR, 85 RBIs. A Jesse Winker reunion would be plausible. Currently his OBP is higher than any player on the Reds and a career-high in games played. With the EDLC discussion about playing CF. I absolutely see why people suggest it with the ground he can cover with his speed and his arm. Plus free up an infield spot. When speculating on who should be moved out of the infield. Is it reasonable to suggest McLain in CF if he can prove to stay healthy? McLain started 50 games in CF for UCLA in 2019. Also saw a little bit of playing time in the corner outfield in the Summer League. So he definitely has some experience. I don't think it is crazy if you are trying to make room for Arroyo and Collier down the road, while facing an infield in 2025 that has EDLC, Marte, India, Candelario, CES, France & Espinal going into next year barring some move that hasn't happened yet. This is an organization that floated around the idea of possibly using India in the outfield in the offseason. Why not McLain to make room for your best players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan39 View Post
    Jurickson Profar would be an outfielder I would like to see Cincinnati pursue. Making $1 million and that will go up this offseason after the All-Star year he has had. A switch hitting OF in the pitcher friendly Petco Park .381 OBP, .282 BA, 24 HR, 85 RBIs. A Jesse Winker reunion would be plausible. Currently his OBP is higher than any player on the Reds and a career-high in games played. With the EDLC discussion about playing CF. I absolutely see why people suggest it with the ground he can cover with his speed and his arm. Plus free up an infield spot. When speculating on who should be moved out of the infield. Is it reasonable to suggest McLain in CF if he can prove to stay healthy? McLain started 50 games in CF for UCLA in 2019. Also saw a little bit of playing time in the corner outfield in the Summer League. So he definitely has some experience. I don't think it is crazy if you are trying to make room for Arroyo and Collier down the road, while facing an infield in 2025 that has EDLC, Marte, India, Candelario, CES, France & Espinal going into next year barring some move that hasn't happened yet. This is an organization that floated around the idea of possibly using India in the outfield in the offseason. Why not McLain to make room for your best players?
    I've thought about McLain in the OF, but IF defense is more important than OF defense and the thought of McLain and EDLC up the middle seems like a solution to build around. I wouldn't move them. India can be a DH. There really isn't an overload in the IF. Right now they are short a major league caliber 3B. No need to move guys out of the IF. Most of the "overload" is from guys who should be in AAA being pegged as big leaguers. CES and Marte should start out in AAA and stay there until they kick the door down. Espinal is ideally a utility infielder. India, Steer, etc are best used at DH. I'd stick Steer in LF, Candy at 1B and India at DH. They need a 3B and a RF.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Projected Arbitration Salaries by mlb rumors

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    Ty France (5.089): $8.6MM
    Tejay Antone (5.000): $1.1MM
    Santiago Espinal (4.149): 4MM
    Jake Fraley (4.097): $3.3MM
    Tyler Stephenson (4.056): $5.2MM
    Austin Wynns (4.017): $1.4MM
    Ian Gibaut (3.077): $800K
    Sam Moll (3.075): $1.1MM
    Alexis Diaz (3.000): $4.2MM
    Nick Lodolo (3.000): $2.2MM

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/arbit...ojection-model
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan39 View Post
    Jurickson Profar would be an outfielder I would like to see Cincinnati pursue. Making $1 million and that will go up this offseason after the All-Star year he has had. A switch hitting OF in the pitcher friendly Petco Park .381 OBP, .282 BA, 24 HR, 85 RBIs. A Jesse Winker reunion would be plausible. Currently his OBP is higher than any player on the Reds and a career-high in games played. With the EDLC discussion about playing CF. I absolutely see why people suggest it with the ground he can cover with his speed and his arm. Plus free up an infield spot. When speculating on who should be moved out of the infield. Is it reasonable to suggest McLain in CF if he can prove to stay healthy? McLain started 50 games in CF for UCLA in 2019. Also saw a little bit of playing time in the corner outfield in the Summer League. So he definitely has some experience. I don't think it is crazy if you are trying to make room for Arroyo and Collier down the road, while facing an infield in 2025 that has EDLC, Marte, India, Candelario, CES, France & Espinal going into next year barring some move that hasn't happened yet. This is an organization that floated around the idea of possibly using India in the outfield in the offseason. Why not McLain to make room for your best players?
    I once posited McLain in the outfield and I was skewered for that. Profar is an interesting idea but he’s a “career year” guy. Based on lifetime numbers he doesn’t have the bat they need, though 2024 tells a more favorable story. I’d rather see Teoscar or Tyler O’Neill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    I've thought about McLain in the OF, but IF defense is more important than OF defense and the thought of McLain and EDLC up the middle seems like a solution to build around. I wouldn't move them. India can be a DH. There really isn't an overload in the IF. Right now they are short a major league caliber 3B. No need to move guys out of the IF. Most of the "overload" is from guys who should be in AAA being pegged as big leaguers. CES and Marte should start out in AAA and stay there until they kick the door down. Espinal is ideally a utility infielder. India, Steer, etc are best used at DH. I'd stick Steer in LF, Candy at 1B and India at DH. They need a 3B and a RF.
    If India and Steer are DH’s then one, or even both, should be traded while they have value.

    If I were king, one would be traded. The other might play third as a stop gap until Marte (or even Collier) is ready. I

    The Reds are known for compiling third basemen, yet they don’t have one to start for next season. Odd. That’s what I’d do with India or Steer temporarily. India perhaps has more range and more experience at third, Steer the better throwing arm. Take your pick.
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    Re: Reds Acquire Santiago Espinal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingspoint View Post
    Projected Arbitration Salaries by mlb rumors

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    Ty France (5.089): $8.6MM
    Tejay Antone (5.000): $1.1MM
    Santiago Espinal (4.149): 4MM
    Jake Fraley (4.097): $3.3MM
    Tyler Stephenson (4.056): $5.2MM
    Austin Wynns (4.017): $1.4MM
    Ian Gibaut (3.077): $800K
    Sam Moll (3.075): $1.1MM
    Alexis Diaz (3.000): $4.2MM
    Nick Lodolo (3.000): $2.2MM

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/arbit...ojection-model
    Pretty easy to look at this list and find some serious money to spend on real difference making FA's. France, Antone, Espinal, Fraley, Wynns. That's 18.4 I wouldn't be spending, or, to put it another way, 3/4 of the way toward an SP who'd give you a potential top five rotation in the major leagues.

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    I'd sign Moll and Gibaut.
    May the Lord bless

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    I would keep Fraley and non tender Espinal. Fraley probably shouldn't have been playing the first few months given what he was dealing with off the field. He put up a .762 OPS in the second half at a 112 OPS+. Espinal can probably be replaced in house by Ivan Johnson and eventually Arroyo to put that 4 million to use elsewhere.
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