Could Bell be fired this season?

[westofyou]

So, you don't think Bell and Krall have ever sat down and talked about personnel decisions to be made? There is no way, if I'm the manager, that I don't at some point have a sit down with the GM about this. I don't care what decade it is, I believe Bell with his FO experience discusses personnel moves. Does he make the final call? No. Does he put his input and opinion? I'd think yes. Have some moves been approved by Bell? I'd also think yes, even though I don't know whether it matters or not. I can't believe that some on here think that Bell has ZERO input on any offseason signings, trades, etc.

Yes, the highlighted part is mostly true. As a manager he will be asked about a player (skillset, opinion, others opinions, what he would do on the team etc.) but like any other large organization the decisions are made after that input, including who to trade, who to sign, who to extend. Managers provide guidance on how a player is seen in the industry and how their talents are best used in that industry, just like I'm asked to weigh in on technology approaches at my job and the best tools for them. However I don't carry the weight of those decisions, I am only offering what I can see as what might be a good solution, a solution that is eventually made outside of my realm.

MLB is not a mom and pop store, grab the Reds media guide and look at the dozen's of roles that they have in the FO, the FO and the clubhouse are a different department in the organization, input exists but it is controlled from the top down, not the other way.

[GAC]

So, you don't think Bell and Krall have ever sat down and talked about personnel decisions to be made? There is no way, if I'm the manager, that I don't at some point have a sit down with the GM about this. I don't care what decade it is, I believe Bell with his FO experience discusses personnel moves. Does he make the final call? No. Does he put his input and opinion? I'd think yes. Have some moves been approved by Bell? I'd also think yes, even though I don't know whether it matters or not. I can't believe that some on here think that Bell has ZERO input on any offseason signings, trades, etc.

I'm sure if it's decisions that are relevant to the duties of his job as manager, then yes, he sits down with his GM and his coaching staff, and has those "round table" discussions on how those players (personnel) are to be managed. But as far as who comprises that team (i.e the players), then the manager has very little to say on that issue. I'm sure he can make his position known to management, and if they don't see eye to eye then he's probably gone. But they would have already known that when they interviewed/hired him.

So David Bell has input (obviously). But very little imput on who comprised his roster, who was on the team. IMO, there's too many other "hands" involved in that decision-making. Especially when it involves money, contracts, and millions of dollars.

The manager only gets the blame and fired if the pieces given him don't perform well.

[westofyou]

Every season's end Bell has exit interviews with each player and they discuss their season, what the club thinks they do well, poorly, needs work, how they fit into the team on that day, what could be done to address growth in the offseason, possible role changes in the future and finally what do you think of David Bell and his staff.

Each season, be assured any players gripes are telegraphed by their agents and that David Bell has that exact same meeting with his boss

[RedsFanInMS]

Yes, the highlighted part is mostly true. As a manager he will be asked about a player (skillset, opinion, others opinions, what he would do on the team etc.) but like any other large organization the decisions are made after that input, including who to trade, who to sign, who to extend. Managers provide guidance on how a player is seen in the industry and how their talents are best used in that industry, just like I'm asked to weigh in on technology approaches at my job and the best tools for them. However I don't carry the weight of those decisions, I am only offering what I can see as what might be a good solution, a solution that is eventually made outside of my realm.

MLB is not a mom and pop store, grab the Reds media guide and look at the dozen's of roles that they have in the FO, the FO and the clubhouse are a different department in the organization, input exists but it is controlled from the top down, not the other way.

That's pretty much what I said.

[westofyou]

That's pretty much what I said.

He's the division head of the on the field product, so he gets input, how much that plays in is a mystery. But eventually he will get fired or quit, they all do.

Meanwhile the Reds CC boys cash their equity checks and order huge steaks at Jeff Ruby's

[RedsFanInMS]

He's the division head of the on the field product, so he gets input, how much that plays in is a mystery. But eventually he will get fired or quit, they all do.

Meanwhile the Reds CC boys cash their equity checks and order huge steaks at Jeff Ruby's

I agree 100 percent

[dreghorntwo]

Could he please never again call a two out double steal with his best player at bat?

signed,

My Sanity

[Kingspoint]

Of course they do, especially anytime they try to use his win/loss record against him.

Some even try to use minor league wins/losses from 10 years ago.

If you believe they do, then that must mean you.

[GAC]

If one wants to question or criticize Bell's gametime lineup or various managerial dugout decisions during the game, then you're more then justified. Done that many a times this season. Part of the game and being a fan. If everything on that field of play, and the decisions made, ran with perfection and smoothness, and in-line with fan's thinking, it would pretty sterile, predictable, hard to enjoy IMO. Victory is built on mistakes. Hopefully the other guys.

[Roy Tucker]

This is my 55th season watching MLB and it's been one of the weirdest seasons all around, just all sorts of anomalies. It's compounded by the inherent instability of the game as well

The roster churn rate seems higher than I can ever remember. Last year was the same. Players coming up and down from the minors, injured list transactions, platooning, and batting order seems to be changing at a higher rate. Maybe I’m just getting old.

[LeatherPants]

The roster churn rate seems higher than I can ever remember. Last year was the same. Players coming up and down from the minors, injured list transactions, platooning, and batting order seems to be changing at a higher rate. Maybe I’m just getting old.

Hasn't platooning been a thing for decades. especially for cheap ass organizations that don't want to pay full time players?

[Ron Madden]

The Yankees used to platoon players pretty often

[westofyou]

Hasn't platooning been a thing for decades. especially for cheap ass organizations that don't want to pay full time players?

Not really. It's more of a flavor that managers with an offensive imagination would employ.

As for the rest of what Roy mentions it is all accelerated from the past behaviors, the ML pipeline is way more active with the last five slots of the roster than in my youth. Smaller pitching staffs used to produce several 32-year-old guys who get 145 PA's and are at all 162 games. Now they don't pay those guys and they play roster Tetris with cheaper talent that have options. IL usage is up because so much more money is invested in players today + the heightened view of health in society has made it easier and more likely to play it safe and shoot a guy there for a hangnail. Batting order is a wildcard, this Reds squad is an imperfect offense in many ways, the order is fluid because of that, plus the bodies change and that means their skills at the dish might change and preclude an order shuffling. Some teams like the Dodgers can afford a set order, but even they shift it around.

A lot of old strategy was wait until baseball happens, a lot of "let the game come at you" a lot of strategy today is adjust and innovate on the fly, validate the money being spent before it is taken away from you.

[Roy Tucker]

Hasn't platooning been a thing for decades. especially for cheap ass organizations that don't want to pay full time players?

Yeah, that’s true. Casey Stengel used to drive Yankee fans nuts. I was just riffing on sources of variation.

[Ron Madden]

Pirates Manager Derek Shelton to Return for 2025

Despite being on the verge of his fifth consecutive losing season, Derek Shelton's job as manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates appears to be safe.

Pirates general manager Ben Cherington told reporters on Wednesday he believes Shelton is "the right person to manage the team in 2025."

The Pirates haven't finished higher than fourth in the NL Central since Shelton took over as manager in November 2019 after Clint Hurdle was fired two months earlier.

They are on the verge of their third last-place finish in the past five seasons. His .415 winning percentage ranks 336th out of 366 managers all-time with at least 315 games managed.

Story Here:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-gm-cherington