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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFashionedRed View Post
    Because some of these people don't have the same filter that I do, and they let that fact get in the way of anything they hear from me. Much of what I say has elemental truth to it, but they get really insecure if the message isn't packaged up into popular soundbites or specific sets of data they agree with. So, I'll just reply to those who will listen to me, and accept the fact that I'm being ignored or sneered at by the majority of the rest.
    Try this

    “Sup fam? Yo the Reds offense been hella lackin’ for a minute. And DB just be chillin’. This doesn’t pass the vibe check. He needs to go straight Karen on these ****bois and quit tryin to be pick me girl for poor performance.”

    It’s only slightly less coherent than most of your musings.


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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    I still doubt Bell will be fired in season. But the facts are changing and baseball loves nothing more than the ritual of firing.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Ask yourselves... is Phil Castellini on the hot seat?

    Same answer. Same reason.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan9988 View Post
    Try this

    “Sup fam? Yo the Reds offense been hella lackin’ for a minute. And DB just be chillin’. This doesn’t pass the vibe check. He needs to go straight Karen on these ****bois and quit tryin to be pick me girl for poor performance.”

    It’s only slightly less coherent than most of your musings.
    I took you off hold in recent days to see if you'd grown up any, we'll try again some time down the road.

    You might want to re-read some of your own crud before you go around judging others, boi
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    So “accountability” is yelling at people?
    Didn't say that. Just saying, a lot of fans are calling for accountability. Apparently , they don't think players are being held accountable.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Here's the big question: did Bell destroy one of the massage chairs confiscated from Sean Casey and Adam Dunn back in the day (and presumably kept in storage)? That would be epic.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFashionedRed View Post
    I took you off hold in recent days to see if you'd grown up any, we'll try again some time down the road.

    You might want to re-read some of your own crud before you go around judging others, boi
    I would, but like you, I have me on ignore.

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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    So do people think that the players aren't out there trying to do their best? I think they all are. Even the ones I'm not a fan of. If you believe they are doing their best, what else do you want Bell to ask them to do? All you can ask is that guys do the best they can. If that's not good enough, time for some better players or a better mix of players who can be matched-up properly. I think the roster is messed up. A lot of that is due to injuries and some of it is due to a poor mix in the roster design. IMO, Bell is taking that cast of misfits and getting them to play. If we want better results, we need better players who properly fit their roles.

    I squarely think that a lot of this is on Krall and firing Bell is just scapegoating. If you want accountability, IMO, Krall is the target. Firing Bell is letting Krall off the hook. That's the exact opposite of accountability.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    So do people think that the players aren't out there trying to do their best? I think they all are. Even the ones I'm not a fan of. If you believe they are doing their best, what else do you want Bell to ask them to do? All you can ask is that guys do the best they can. If that's not good enough, time for some better players or a better mix of players who can be matched-up properly. I think the roster is messed up. A lot of that is due to injuries and some of it is due to a poor mix in the roster design. IMO, Bell is taking that cast of misfits and getting them to play. If we want better results, we need better players who properly fit their roles.

    I squarely think that a lot of this is on Krall and firing Bell is just scapegoating. If you want accountability, IMO, Krall is the target. Firing Bell is letting Krall off the hook. That's the exact opposite of accountability.
    Krall can’t really do much about half the team’s bones turning to sawdust. He’s been a solid GM for a couple years at least

    Bell can’t either, but as someone else noted in the other thread, Bell is either the only or the second manager (can’t remember which precisely) to get this long of a tenure with as bad of a winning percentage as they have.

    There’s nothing much Bell could do besides not put together that level of bad record over such a long time. He has the stench of losing on him at this point. I want him gone as an organizational statement that winning is the expectation.

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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    if they end up in last place at end of the season, NO Way you bring the same coaching staff back.. thats my opinion

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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Krall can’t really do much about half the team’s bones turning to sawdust. He’s been a solid GM for a couple years at least

    Bell can’t either, but as someone else noted in the other thread, Bell is either the only or the second manager (can’t remember which precisely) to get this long of a tenure with as bad of a winning percentage as they have.

    There’s nothing much Bell could do besides not put together that level of bad record over such a long time. He has the stench of losing on him at this point. I want him gone as an organizational statement that winning is the expectation.
    I guess our basic difference is that I'm not as impressed with Krall has done as you and others seem to be. He has the same track record Bell has when it comes to wins and losses. At the end of the day, players win and players lose. If the players aren't good enough to win more, that says more about the guy creating the plan and providing the players than the guy implementing the plan.

    When the brakes on a car are poorly designed and lead to a crash that kills people, it's not the supervisor on the production line that needs held accountable, it's the guy who designed and signed off on the design.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    I have no real issue with Bell and it seems that he’s a good players coach. They like and respect him. I question whether sufficient accountability is in place. A lot of under performances from young players happening. He’s not the reason for the poor results, but ultimately it’s a results business. At some point a new voice could be good to the next step and there’s not a lot to lose by eventually trying someone different.


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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    I have no real issue with Bell and it seems that he’s a good players coach. They like and respect him. I question whether sufficient accountability is in place. A lot of under performances from young players happening. He’s not the reason for the poor results, but ultimately it’s a results business. At some point a new voice could be good to the next step and there’s not a lot to lose by eventually trying someone different.


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    So what does "holding them accountable" look like? When a guy goes 0 for 20, is that Bell's fault? Should Bell replace the player? Did the GM give him alternatives to replace him with? The whole organization fails when the team stinks. Replacing the Manager and leaving everyone else in place is not holding them accountable.

    If you want a change to emphasize accountability, firing the Manager is a cosmetic move. Make multiple organizational changes or you really aren't doing anything. IMO, Krall is the guy who needs to be held accountable.
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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by mth123 View Post
    So what does "holding them accountable" look like? When a guy goes 0 for 20, is that Bell's fault? Should Bell replace the player? Did the GM give him alternatives to replace him with? The whole organization fails when the team stinks. Replacing the Manager and leaving everyone else in place is not holding them accountable.

    If you want a change to emphasize accountability, firing the Manager is a cosmetic move. Make multiple organizational changes or you really aren't doing anything. IMO, Krall is the guy who needs to be held accountable.
    Straight up, when do you think a manager should ever be fired?

    Bryan Price didn’t put together the ungodly terrible 2018 team. Should we have kept him around instead of firing him when we did?

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    Re: Could Bell be fired this season?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    I have no real issue with Bell and it seems that he’s a good players coach. They like and respect him. I question whether sufficient accountability is in place. A lot of under performances from young players happening. He’s not the reason for the poor results, but ultimately it’s a results business. At some point a new voice could be good to the next step and there’s not a lot to lose by eventually trying someone different.


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    Accountability? Interesting concept...never really thought about that. lol
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