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    Where has all the hitting gone?

    Maybe it is just the cold weather, but hitting is down pretty much across the board. Traditionally, the first month is a little lower, but not nearly to this extent. The Midwest Leagues seems to be immune.

    NATIONAL LEAGUE: (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)

    2023 - .250/.323/.416/.740.
    2024 - .240/.315/.383/.698

    INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE (AAA) (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)

    2023 - .261/.356/.438/.794
    2024 - .251/.347.416/.763

    SOUTHERN LEAGUE - (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)

    2023 - .243/.340/.400/.740
    2024 - .229/.323/.340/.650

    MIDWEST LEAGUE - (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)

    2023 - .240/.328/.374/.702
    2024 - .237/.334/.368/.702

    FLA ST LEAGUE - (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)

    2023 - .239/.346/.369/.715
    2024 - .227/.328/.339/.667
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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    I think we're reaching the physical human limits of what pitchers and hitters can do. Pitchers throw harder than ever now, which means less time from pitch release to crossing the plate. That means hitters have less time to analyze the pitch path, and initiate a swing that would contact the pitch. However, the human brain can only analyze sensory input so fast. There is literally a physical limit to how fast someone can do this, since the signals have to move within the brain. And with pitches being faster than ever, that physical limit is being reached as well.
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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by WrongVerb View Post
    I think we're reaching the physical human limits of what pitchers and hitters can do. Pitchers throw harder than ever now, which means less time from pitch release to crossing the plate. That means hitters have less time to analyze the pitch path, and initiate a swing that would contact the pitch. However, the human brain can only analyze sensory input so fast. There is literally a physical limit to how fast someone can do this, since the signals have to move within the brain. And with pitches being faster than ever, that physical limit is being reached as well.
    Does that mean it's time to lower the mound? Maybe move the mound back?

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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Does that mean it's time to lower the mound? Maybe move the mound back?
    The Atlantic League moved it back a foot to experiment with it at MLB's asking. My understanding is that the effect was negligible.

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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    I think it was pretty obvious the AAA balls were juiced last year. I mean Matt Reynolds hit 22 bombs in Louisville, and was 10th on the team in OPS among hitters with 100+ PA. As far as players reaching human limits go I think we're past that point with all the arm injuries to pitchers. Deadening the ball is the only solution to get these guys to back off and pitch to contact IMO.

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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by texasdave View Post
    Does that mean it's time to lower the mound? Maybe move the mound back?
    I don't know what the solution is. Moving the mound back is one option, but someone else noted moving it back just a foot didn't have much effect.
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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Do we want more offense or more contact? They aren't necessarily the same problem.
    WHEN DOES IT STOP!?!?

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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Z-Fly View Post
    Do we want more offense or more contact? They aren't necessarily the same problem.
    More balls in play. That's Theo Epstein's stated goal.

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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    New MLB Bat Speed Data Only One Piece Of The Puzzle

    https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...of-the-puzzle/

    May 13, 2024 by J.J. Cooper

    Baseball Savant added bat speed measurements to its pages today. It’s yet another excellent addition to an outstanding website. It will allow a whole lot of people to study a significant aspect of hitting that has largely been off limits to significant study until now. And now, I’ll offer a caution that was given to me by multiple people who work with professional and major league hitters: pay attention to bat speed, but don’t over-emphasize it.

    Bat speed is extremely valuable. It’s an important foundational aspect of hitting. But when it comes to big league hitters, it’s one of multiple foundational aspects, along with barrel control/hand-to-eye coordination, swing path, swing length, pitch recognition and timing. Being able to swing the bat faster than other big leaguers gives a hitter more power potential. Combined with the other foundational pieces, it can help a hitter become a star. Left alone, it just helps a hitter strike out in more dramatic fashion.

    If a hitter sells out to get to that bat speed by sacrificing other aspects of their swing, it isn’t always as useful as it would appear. If a hitter with excellent contact skills and plate discipline adds bat speed without selling out, it could turn a solid hitter into a much better one. Scouts and hitting coaches have seen this for long before bat speed could be measured quantifiably. Gary Sheffield used exceptional bat speed to become one of the best hitters of his generation. Lastings Milledge’s exceptional bat speed led to just 33 home runs in a six-year MLB career.

    For rest of article see link above.

    Of note...

    There are plenty of fascinating studies that can be done with this new bat speed data. For example, going forward, it will help to show when hitters are improving or declining, and help to demonstrate aging rates, something Tom Tango has already begun to explore. There are plenty of excellent projects to be done about the variability of bat speed in a hitter, or looking at how a switch hitter’s bat speed is similar from both sides or dramatically different. We need to learn whether 90th percentile bat speed, max bat speed, average bat speed, bat speed on balls in play or some other measurement is the best way to rank bat speed. Swing length is also ripe for study.

    One other bat speed note: Figuring out exactly where to measure bat speed is a challenging question in itself. Bat speed measured at the tip of the bat will be way higher at the sweet spot (MLB is using six inches from the top of the bat). The MLB measurements aren’t measured necessarily the same way as a Blast Motion sensor or other devices, so when looking at bat speed, make sure you’re comparing apples to apples.
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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Focusing on the International League, walk percentage has gone down slightly from 11.8 to 11.6 since last year. Strikeout percentage is up to 23.9 from 22.7 last year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boss-Hog
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    Re: Where has all the hitting gone?

    Quote Originally Posted by camisadelgolf View Post
    Focusing on the International League, walk percentage has gone down slightly from 11.8 to 11.6 since last year. Strikeout percentage is up to 23.9 from 22.7 last year.
    Connor Phillips is doing his best to keep that walk percentage from falling too far. ��


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