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    Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    During World War II, Major League Baseball teams were so strapped for players that they turned to unusual options, including a one-armed outfielder, a one-legged pitcher and a half-deaf center fielder.

    Still too young to drive, 15 year old Joe Nuxhall took the bus 30 miles from Hamilton, Ohio to Crosley Field in Cincinnati on June 10, 1944 for a Saturday afternoon game.

    The Reds chose a low-stakes moment for his debut, with the home team trailing the first-place St. Louis Cardinals, 13-0, in the top of the ninth inning.

    For the past 80 years, Nuxhall has been recognized as the youngest player in MLB history, a record that seemed unlikely to change, as American players must graduate high school to be eligible for the draft.

    However, last month, MLB announced that it was incorporating Negro Leagues stats into its record books.

    MLB historian John Thorn wrote that Hall of Fame catcher Roy Campanella made his debut for the Washington Elite Giants, a Negro Leagues team, on June 22, 1937, when he was several months younger than Nuxhall was at the time of his MLB debut. “Now we have a younger MLBer,” Thorn wrote.
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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    If football or basketball had pro leagues back then they would've been segregated as well. Yes it was wrong, but that doesn't make a non MLB league magically become an MLB league 100 years later.

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    Yeah idk man this is dumb. They weren’t MLB teams. You didn’t let them play. You can’t just retroactively go “oh yeah they were totally MLB players all along”

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    Yeah, this is a weird situation. If we are all being honest with ourselves we can acknowledge it wasn't MLB so their numbers should not count. However, I feel if you say that out loud you will immediately be called racist and your entire opinion will be disqualified.
    What would you say.....ya do here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Yeah idk man this is dumb. They weren’t MLB teams. You didn’t let them play. You can’t just retroactively go “oh yeah they were totally MLB players all along”
    Exactly, you can't learn from history if you're constantly rewriting it. Just call it the youngest player in a professional baseball league record instead of an MLB record.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    A lot of really awful stuff has happened in this country. There are no takesies-backsies.

    Our society and culture will just have to wear it. Honestly, it’s borderline disrespectful to those that suffered tremendously for some suits in 2024 to be like, “k we’re even now, right?”

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Semantics

    MLB - Major League Baseball - The Negro Leagues have been designated Major League, meanwhile in the long history of the National League, American Association. American League, Players League and Federal League Joe is the youngest player ever.

    But really who cares?

    Joe got in because it was war year, the game in 1944 was taxed talent wise and but by the luck of age Joe was too young to be in the army and by the luck of his physical talent good enough to draw interest... hell a guy with one arm played the next year. It was not a normal time.

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    To even highlight how weird that game was that Joe pitched in the starter Bill Lohrman who was a 31-year-old vet never appeared in a MLB game again (faced 11 guys walked two and gave up five hits) and the guy who relieved Joe (Jake Eisenhart) was also making his debut, he walked the first guy and then got an out, he also never pitched in a MLB game again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTeamGo! View Post
    Yeah, this is a weird situation. If we are all being honest with ourselves we can acknowledge it wasn't MLB so their numbers should not count. However, I feel if you say that out loud you will immediately be called racist and your entire opinion will be disqualified.
    I agree. Obviously the negro leagues had players who would've excelled in MLB.
    I also suspect each team had several players who wouldn't have been good enough to play in the majors.

    Probably the better teams had 5 or 6 players that would've been legit mlb players.
    The lesser teams probably had a couple. Probably 25% or so of the league could have been major league players. So the competition was good but not major league good likely.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by KeefeCato View Post
    I agree. Obviously the negro leagues had players who would've excelled in MLB.
    I also suspect each team had several players who wouldn't have been good enough to play in the majors.

    Probably the better teams had 5 or 6 players that would've been legit mlb players.
    The lesser teams probably had a couple. Probably 25% or so of the league could have been major league players. So the competition was good but not major league good likely.
    How much research did you do here, or do you have links to any studies you've read?

    What made the white NL/AL players so good that only a percentage of the black players would be good enough to play in the NL/AL?
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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    If we use today's numbers, very few MLB players are black, 6%. 16 teams back then. 25 guys per team. Maybe 24 guys in the negro leagues were MLB caliber.

    https://www.star-telegram.com/sports...287629815.html

    MLB has really screwed this one up

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    If we use today's numbers, very few MLB players are black, 6%. 16 teams back then. 25 guys per team. Maybe 24 guys in the negro leagues were MLB caliber.

    https://www.star-telegram.com/sports...287629815.html

    MLB has really screwed this one up
    I guess the point is that we don’t know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    How much research did you do here, or do you have links to any studies you've read?

    What made the white NL/AL players so good that only a percentage of the black players would be good enough to play in the NL/AL?
    They segregated out a league that had to pull from a smaller portion of population given that they are a demographic minority. If the argument is that the Negro Leagues matched the talent of the MLB at the time, that’s a pretty bold claim that carried a big burden of proof.

    Josh Gibson would not have hit 962 home runs in the MLB. Just kinda take it from there and that’s the level of competition the best players were playing against

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by redsfan9988 View Post
    I guess the point is that we don’t know.
    Right. The best MLB players didn’t play the best black talent at the time. The best black talent didn’t play against MLB players until integration. There’s really no way to untangle that. Which is why I’m also not a fan of combining their stats

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderful Monds View Post
    Right. The best MLB players didn’t play the best black talent at the time. The best black talent didn’t play against MLB players until integration. There’s really no way to untangle that. Which is why I’m also not a fan of combining their stats
    I can agree with this. In a sport that fetishizes statistics to the degree that baseball does, it’s just gonna be weird.

    I don’t like telling Negro League players their stats don’t count either. There’s really no good solution here.


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