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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    I am sure that Joe would be proud to be in the same sentence as Roy Campanella. There is room for both of them in this category. I would even bet they played against each other in the 50's.
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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    I am sure that Joe would be proud to be in the same sentence as Roy Campanella. There is room for both of them in this category. I would even bet they played against each other in the 50's.
    I haven't looked. But I bet Joe faced him several times. With only 8 NL teams. The Reds played Brooklyn many times per season.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Most of the players who played in the 20th century wouldn’t make MLB teams today. Players in the 20’s would have gotten destroyed by players in the 50’s. Players in the 50’s would have gotten destroyed by players now.

    MLB stats combine all sorts of mismatched talents. This is no different.

    That said, getting replaced by Roy Campanella is not something to complain about.
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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    OK, so what about the Federal League or the Players League? Those stats count as major league stats too, and no pseudo World Series against the NL/AL either.
    There's been controversy about those too. Bill James was very much against the Union League being included

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    Guys who played in the Federal League other Major Leagues have those stats as part of their MLB career stats, so I'm not sure how this is any different.
    Exactly this. If anything, the Negro Leagues should have been recognized in 1969 along with the American Association, Union Association, Players' League and Federal League. This is 55 years late.
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    The Reds were not "incorporated" into the NL, they applied.... the Players League was forming and there was a mad scramble by numerous cities to slot their team in a league the Reds owner at the time bonded with Brooklyn and applied to be in the NL, mostly because the AA was taking the brunt of the beating from the players leaving since they were the lower revenue league with less star power. Following their first season in the NL the owner sold the club to the owner of the Cleveland Players League team, who was going to pull the Reds from the NL and put them in the PL. Meanwhile behind his back the other PL owners cut a deal and folded their league. The NL held the cards as far as the Cincinnati franchise was concerned and granted the rights to John Brush who had owned a NL franchise in Indianapolis, that franchise got retracted by the NL and because Brush allowed it, they gave him the rights to Cincinnati and told The guy from Cleveland to stuff it... so he had no choice but to sell the Reds to Brush because he had the rights to field a team.

    Point being a lot of this is just as vague and shadowy as 1930's era Negro League ball

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Strikes Out Looking View Post
    I am sure that Joe would be proud to be in the same sentence as Roy Campanella. There is room for both of them in this category. I would even bet they played against each other in the 50's.
    Faced him 15 times, Campy got five singles in 15 PA's

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Ray View Post
    There's been controversy about those too. Bill James was very much against the Union League being included
    Yet they are officially major leagues, just like the Negro leagues are today.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherPants View Post
    Yet they are officially major leagues, just like the Negro leagues are today.
    I think it gets back to that thing that was mentioned previously. Have a category of North American Major Leagues but MLB should be its own category

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    I still recognize who has the highest BA over a whole career as TyCobb. I can accept a one year record which is now recognized in regards to ERA not to Bob Gibson or Ed Walsh but to a negro league pitcher.

    I donít accept Barry as a HR king either. I still see Hank as the legit leader. Obvious juicing and joke for stadiums that welcomed homers while Hank hit them a lot of times in stadiums that were not only a lot farther but during the 2nd dead ball era. This is just me though. Itís my opinion. Same when Mark and Sosa were going for the record. So clear they were on something especially Mark. It became a joke to me but baseball needed the goodwill after that 1994-95 S show.

    Thereís a handful of black players who people like John McGraw and Honus Wagner said should be up in the majors. However before the 1961-62 expansion it was hard for a lot of white players to even make the majors. They were held down with no chance due to lack of roster space and teams. You still knew who Judy Johnson. Oscar Charleston were if you are a baseball fan even if they didnít play in the majors.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by westofyou View Post
    Faced him 15 times, Campy got five singles in 15 PA's
    Campy had a odd career. I'm guessing being a catcher and playing though injuries likely.
    Because he would have monster MVP years followed by not very good seasons followed by another MVP year. Really up and down not much in between.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    FWIW, I doubt more than a sliver of people here knew who owned the MLB single-season BA record before it recently defaulted to Tetelo Vargas.
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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by KeefeCato View Post
    Campy had a odd career. I'm guessing being a catcher and playing though injuries likely.
    Because he would have monster MVP years followed by not very good seasons followed by another MVP year. Really up and down not much in between.
    His 49-53 run is great .296/.379/.543 141+, 26.2 WAR, two MVP's

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger View Post
    I still recognize who has the highest BA over a whole career as TyCobb. I can accept a one year record which is now recognized in regards to ERA not to Bob Gibson or Ed Walsh but to a negro league pitcher.

    I don’t accept Barry as a HR king either. I still see Hank as the legit leader. Obvious juicing and joke for stadiums that welcomed homers while Hank hit them a lot of times in stadiums that were not only a lot farther but during the 2nd dead ball era. This is just me though. It’s my opinion. Same when Mark and Sosa were going for the record. So clear they were on something especially Mark. It became a joke to me but baseball needed the goodwill after that 1994-95 S show.

    There’s a handful of black players who people like John McGraw and Honus Wagner said should be up in the majors. However before the 1961-62 expansion it was hard for a lot of white players to even make the majors. They were held down with no chance due to lack of roster space and teams. You still knew who Judy Johnson. Oscar Charleston were if you are a baseball fan even if they didn’t play in the majors.
    Barry Bonds is part of the story of baseball. The further we get out from the steroid era the more I think the lines blur. Sure Bonds was aided in his performance, but so were the pitchers he was facing. I don't know how prevalent greenies were with Hank and his team, but they were rampant during the 60's and 70's.

    The negro leagues were a part of baseball's story. Were they as competitive as MLB, no, but that doesn't mean that the stats and numbers should be lost to history. Honestly outside of Cincinnati, no one really cares that Joe Nuxhall is no longer considered the youngest player in MLB history.

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    Re: Joe Nuxhall No Longer Recognized As The Youngest Player In MLB History

    It seems like both Nuxhall and Campanella will be remembered whenever the subject is discussed so it's no big deal to me.

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