Jonathan India Trade Talks

[RiverRat13]

Really wish they would have traded him at the deadline


April 650 OPS
May 670 OPS
June 1.1041 OPS
July 682 OPS
August 716 OPS (23 PA's)

Since months are inherently arbitrary start and end points, let's take that idea a step further. Here's India's wRC+ in 15 day intervals. For those not familiar, 100 would be league average:

3/28-4/12: 113 wRC+
4/12-4/26: 4 wRC+
4/27-5/11: 102 wRC+
5/12-5/26: 98 wRC+
5/27-6/10: 163 wRC+
6/11-6/25: 183 wRC+
6/26-7/10: 138 wRC+
7/11-7/25: 145 wRC+
7/26-8/6: 56 wRC+

Using those arbitrary intervals, to me it looks like India has had two bad 15-day intervals, two average 15-day intervals, one good 15-day interval, and four fantastic 15-day intervals.

Or we can just look at his season as whole and make decisions based on larger rather than smaller data sets.

[LeatherPants]

Since months are inherently arbitrary start and end points, let's take that idea a step further. Here's India's wRC+ in 15 day intervals. For those not familiar, 100 would be league average:

3/28-4/12: 113 wRC+
4/12-4/26: 4 wRC+
4/27-5/11: 102 wRC+
5/12-5/26: 98 wRC+
5/27-6/10: 163 wRC+
6/11-6/25: 183 wRC+
6/26-7/10: 138 wRC+
7/11-7/25: 145 wRC+
7/26-8/6: 56 wRC+

Using those arbitrary intervals, to me it looks like India has had two bad 15-day intervals, two average 15-day intervals, one good 15-day interval, and four fantastic 15-day intervals.

Or we can just look at his season as whole and make decisions based on larger rather than smaller data sets.

I still wish they would have traded him.

[mth123]

I think they need to keep India's OBP. .365 leads a team that is very on base challenged. He's never going to be an MVP, but he does more to help them win than guys with OBP number below .300 (CES, Candy, Fairchild, Benson, Marte) plenty of other guys to trade away. India's OPS goes up and down with his slugging percentage by month, but he gets on base even when his slugging is down.

March/April .346
May .340
June .454
July .316
August .348

July was low, but he was still getting on base at about an average rate. The Reds need more guys who get on base, not fewer. He should DH when McLain comes back.

[Kc61]

India’s been one of the better hitters on the Reds this year. That doesn’t mean you keep him - but it’s a little counter-intuitive to trade one of your few offensive performers on a bad hitting team. Of Reds regulars only EDLC, India and Stephenson are above 100 OPS+.

Presumably a deadline trade of India would have netted prospects, leaving the big league Reds with even a worse offense than they currently have.

I’m sure Reds looked into it, but I can understand reluctance to trade him now.

[RiverRat13]

India’s been one of the better hitters on the Reds this year. That doesn’t mean you keep him - but it’s a little counter-intuitive to trade one of your few offensive performers on a bad hitting team. Of Reds regulars only EDLC, India and Stephenson are above 100 OPS+.

Presumably a deadline trade of India would have netted prospects, leaving the big league Reds with even a worse offense than they currently have.

I’m sure Reds looked into it, but I can understand reluctance to trade him now.

I would 100% be in favor of trading India if it makes the Reds better in 2025 and 2026. It's just hard to see any trade where that would be the outcome.

[Wonderful Monds]

I still wish they would have traded him.

They basically would’ve gotten the Jazz Chisholm return, which isn’t really worth it.

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I've noticed that India often turns his back on inside strikes like they're going to hit him. Is this a hitter's equivalent to a catcher framing a pitch? Is he just trying to manipulate the ump to think it's too far inside to be a strike? If not, why so much? I don't see other hitters doing it to the degree India does.

Shell shocked from getting hit roughly one billion times as a rookie lol?

[LeatherPants]

India’s been one of the better hitters on the Reds this year. That doesn’t mean you keep him - but it’s a little counter-intuitive to trade one of your few offensive performers on a bad hitting team. Of Reds regulars only EDLC, India and Stephenson are above 100 OPS+.

Presumably a deadline trade of India would have netted prospects, leaving the big league Reds with even a worse offense than they currently have.

I’m sure Reds looked into it, but I can understand reluctance to trade him now.

The question is India a 100+ OPS+ player moving forward, and I don’t think he is.

[Mitri]

The question is India a 100+ OPS+ player moving forward, and I don’t think he is.

Why not? He's a career 106 OPS+ guy, and has never had an OPS+ lower than 94 on a season. He's entering his prime years. It's a bummer that his power numbers are down from that rookie season (and from what was expected when the Reds drafted him out of Florida) but he's a decent, cheap bat to plug into the lineup with a fair amount of intangibles that help this team to boot.

I'd keep India until his final arb year, at least, if only because he's not really bringing back much in return. If the Reds magically find multiple on-base studs between now and next April, maybe you consider trading him, but that's a big IF.

[mth123]

Why not? He's a career 106 OPS+ guy, and has never had an OPS+ lower than 94 on a season. He's entering his prime years. It's a bummer that his power numbers are down from that rookie season (and from what was expected when the Reds drafted him out of Florida) but he's a decent, cheap bat to plug into the lineup with a fair amount of intangibles that help this team to boot.

I'd keep India until his final arb year, at least, if only because he's not really bringing back much in return. If the Reds magically find multiple on-base studs between now and next April, maybe you consider trading him, but that's a big IF.

Agree that they won't get a lot back. The fact is with all the suspects on the roster they don't have 5 guys better than him let alone 9 and we know the team isn't going to acquire that many. I'm hoping they can acquire one. He's not blocking anyone.

[MoneyInTheBank]

The question is India a 100+ OPS+ player moving forward, and I don’t think he is.

For me, it's is India a .340+ OBP guy going forward. I think he is. Does that mean I wouldn't trade him? Absolutely not. But it's a piece I'd like to have on my roster

[Wonderful Monds]

He’s good depth bare minimum, I was on the “trade him” train when all the word was that it was gonna be an insane sellers market especially for a bat, but since that wasn’t the case and as his years of control tick down he’ll just lose more trade value, he’s worth more as a member of this team. It’s definitely preferable to playing the carousel of “literally who” dudes that have conga lined through the roster this season.