Of course not, the problem is the college players are not being paid by the teams they are playing for. They are being paid by random companies and/or boosters.Originally Posted by GAC
For example, Oregon players play for Nike/Phil Knight moreso than they play for Oregon.
What would you say.....ya do here?
It's all part of the NCAA legal settlement that will allow schools to pay players directly
Yea, right now they have complete free agency, everyone is basically on a one year deal. Heck there was a guy from Alabama who went to Iowa, collected a nice paycheck, and then transferred right back to Alabama a few months later.
These schools should be able to sign a player to a "contract" and that player should have to abide by that contract. Lets use the kid who started this all Sanders. Lets assume he starts this season and has a productive season. He goes back to Tennessee and says, "I lived up to my first NIL deal, I want more or I am transferring." Or probably more than likely heads to Tennessee and says, this offer is on the table from school XYZ, do you want to match it. I don't think that type of system can be sustainable. And unfortunately I think that is coming sooner rather than later if nothing is done.
It's just out in the open now instead of being negotiated behind closed doors.
Nothing has really changed, except it's more lawful now under the Constitution.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Back in the 70s when baseball players won the right to free agency, Marvin Miller was afraid that every player would be a free agent at once. He wisely foresaw that there would be a glut of players on the market if that happened and that would drive salaries down. So he negotiated with the owners a waiting period of several years to when a player could be a free agent. Plus there was already salary arbitration after three seasons so players would only have to get the salary the owners deemed for that time. CFB is in a bit of a different situation. There is no arbitration. The longest "contract" is four years. While players should have the rights everyone else does, But these players are ostensibly there to learn/get a degree. Should universities be in the business of big time sports?
Sure a lot of stuff happened under the table in college sports for decades and decades. I don't think it ever reached this point. At one time you may have had wealthy boosters dropping bags of cash to kids, now you have Fortune 500 companies bankrolling college teams.
The difference now is that there aren't any transfer limitations. That's the thing that makes it look like the wild, wild West.
It's like a dam broke and it's helter-skelter right now.
After the water recedes, there will be a slowdown on the movement that there is now.
Universities are literally giant braintrusts, and they have the knowledge of law that students and athletes will never have. These Universities will figure out how to balance things back into their favor again.
I'm personally happy for the professional athletes because the Universities have reaped unwarranted benefits by exploiting these workers with the promise of small compensation in return...a college degree, that they may or may not have studied for, and are thus less prepared to use it than someone else who got the same degree. They more than not spent far fewer hours than the average degree earner learning that trade.
I personally think most of the major Sports organizations are illegal and should be broken up, or at least have to follow the same laws regarding employment that everyone else has to follow (because it's the right thing to do). Seriously, a Draft? That's so illegal, it should be removed. There are so many constitutional laws being broken by Sports organizations. The anti-trust laws alone would get the leagues disbanded.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
There's still the fact that someone under 18 years of age cannot make a business contract. Only that person's parent or guardian can, and then that person, once they turn 18 is no longer bound by that contract. So, it gets tricky when dealing with a High School person who hasn't turned 18, yet.
Not only can a minor not sign a business contract, you can't even talk to a minor about one. It's illegal in every way.
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"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
...and it begins...
Associated Press, Aug 21, 2024, 01:07 PM ET
The union representing the Dartmouth men's basketball team filed an unfair labor practice complaint Wednesday against the school because it has refused to negotiate with the players on a collective bargaining agreement. Service Employees International Union Local 560, which already represents other Dartmouth workers, said the failure to bargain was a violation of both labor law and the school's own code of ethics.
A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled this spring that Dartmouth basketball players were employees of the school, clearing the way for them to unionize. The players then voted 13-2 to join SEIU Local 560. Dartmouth responded by announcing that it would not bargain with the players -- a tactic designed to force the case into court in the hopes that a federal judge would overturn the NLRB decision. "This is the only lever Dartmouth has to get this matter reviewed by a federal court," the school said at the time.
https://apnews.com/article/dartmouth...341c11853ba7d9
“Because Dartmouth has the right to control the work performed by the Dartmouth men’s basketball team, and the players perform that work in exchange for compensation, I find that the petitioned-for basketball players are employees within the meaning of the (National Labor Relations) Act,” NLRB Regional Director Laura Sacks wrote.
https://apnews.com/article/dartmouth...15cbcb86c0e25b
“Today is a big day for our team,” said Dartmouth juniors Cade Haskins and Romeo Myrthil, who have led the effort. “We stuck together all season and won this election. It is self-evident that we, as students, can also be both campus workers and union members. Dartmouth seems to be stuck in the past. It’s time for the age of amateurism to end.”
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
Dartmouth basketball. Lol
It makes sense that an Ivy League school would be the first to challenge the illegal labor practices conducted by Universities into the court system. This will have a rippling effect through all of sports.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
I guess. But any Ivy League team unionizing is a bit like my intramural team unionizing. Or, more relevant, my daughter's Division I gymnastics team that is highly subsidized by the university and its revenue producing sports. Ohio State football players have probably been shortchanged over the years. Dartmouth basketball players have not.
Well, sure.
"One problem with people who have no vices is that they're pretty sure to have some annoying virtues."
One could look at it this way. Ohio Sate is subsidizing not only the vast majority of their schools sports (I think MBB is the only other one that makes money) but it is also subsidizing a lot of the B1G teams. if IU, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, Maryland, MSU all came together and tried to sign a media contract, they would get peanuts. The reason the B1G gets such a massive TV contract is people across the nation want to watch OSU, Michigan, PSU, and now Oregon and probably USC.
What is the value of Dartmouth basketball? Does the Ivy League draw eyeballs with the exception of the tournaments? Its like, hey we want to unionize and negotiate a contract, the school says you don't bring in any extra income, what is going to happen here? Dartmouth hasn't made the NCAA tournament since 1959, if anything they are benefiting from the system in place.
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