Pitching depth, Where i think they should be next season

[Ladeda]

Now I'm hearing we have Greene, Lodolo and Abbott and the rotation is going to be a strength. They should have added a legit starter then and, IMO, they need to add a legit starter this winter.

^^ It's this.

The Reds have Greene at the top of the rotation, then Lodolo then Abbott. The problem here is that Lodolo will get hurt, he always gets hurt, so that means half the season when he is out, Abbott is your de facto #2. Guess what, Abbott is currently rocking a 5.02 FIP. That's not a guy I want as a #3 starter, let alone as the 2nd best starter for half the season when Lodolo is out.

The Reds absolutely need someone to slot behind Greene. Greene, FA, Lodolo, Abbott then a battle Royale for the 5th spot.

The Reds SP is Greene, 4.00 FIP Lodolo, 5 FIP Abbott, and everyone else had a 5.00+ ERA as a starter. (Martinez' is 4.95, so I round up for arguments sake.)

Rolling with a Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, Williamson/Ashcraft/Lowder rotation is asking for trouble-- especially when Lodolo gets hurt and you basically have a 5.00 FIP guy Abbott as your de facto #2 pitcher- and every SP outside of Greene is a 5+ FIP. That won't win you anything.


Not good enough. The Reds are 14th in runs scored, 12th in runs allowed.

The Reds basically had 1,000 of negative oWaR ab's this year in Martini, Ford, CES, Marte, Benson and Fraley. A healthy McLain helps eliminate 600 of those bad ab's. Literally adding a DH/1B/RF who can have just a whopping 1.0 WaR is a huge net positive on the team, by at least being a positive WaR hitter that takes away ab's from negative WaR hitters.

There is the potential for a lot of addition by subtraction in terms of Reds hitters next year. Removing a lot of the negative WaR ab's for even 0.0 WaR ab's.

Literally adding a 1 WaR RF/DH/1B and a healthy McLain and the Reds are a top 10 offense.

But pitching---- the Reds desperately need at least a #3 to slot in behind Lodolo pushing Abbott to the 4th starter--- and praying that whomever wins the #5 spot in the rotation has a 4.50 ERA or better. Then the Reds have a chance.

McLain coming back is like a FA signing. As much as I will acknowledge the black hole of ab's that came from Benson, Fraley, CES, Martini, Marte, Ford etc etc---- the Reds priority this offseason needs to be a SP. Too bad Candy and Pagan are getting a combined $24mm next year-- that's your SP money.

With a healthy McLain (and maybe Friedl,) the Reds hitting isn't as bad as it appears-- because those guys suck up the wasted ab's this year. The pitching is also not as good as it appears--- Abbott is pitching way above his peripherals-- and the back end of the rotation (for 2025) all has question marks. Williamson, Ashcraft, Spiers, Lowder, Aguiar.

Basically the Reds need a Jack Flaherty type on a 1 year deal as I don't see them committing long term to a #2 type pitcher-- and a Matt Chapman/TEoscar Hernandez type hitter on a 1 year deal. Then the Reds are a playoff team.

TLDR: Personally I would prioritize a #2 SP over a hitter next year, mainly because they are harder to find and McLain coming back is like a FA signing.

[mth123]

^^ It's this.

The Reds have Greene at the top of the rotation, then Lodolo then Abbott. The problem here is that Lodolo will get hurt, he always gets hurt, so that means half the season when he is out, Abbott is your de facto #2. Guess what, Abbott is currently rocking a 5.02 FIP. That's not a guy I want as a #3 starter, let alone as the 2nd best starter for half the season when Lodolo is out.

The Reds absolutely need someone to slot behind Greene. Greene, FA, Lodolo, Abbott then a battle Royale for the 5th spot.

The Reds SP is Greene, 4.00 FIP Lodolo, 5 FIP Abbott, and everyone else had a 5.00+ ERA as a starter. (Martinez' is 4.95, so I round up for arguments sake.)

Rolling with a Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, Williamson/Ashcraft/Lowder rotation is asking for trouble-- especially when Lodolo gets hurt and you basically have a 5.00 FIP guy Abbott as your de facto #2 pitcher- and every SP outside of Greene is a 5+ FIP. That won't win you anything.


Not good enough. The Reds are 14th in runs scored, 12th in runs allowed.

The Reds basically had 1,000 of negative oWaR ab's this year in Martini, Ford, CES, Marte, Benson and Fraley. A healthy McLain helps eliminate 600 of those bad ab's. Literally adding a DH/1B/RF who can have just a whopping 1.0 WaR is a huge net positive on the team, by at least being a positive WaR hitter that takes away ab's from negative WaR hitters.

There is the potential for a lot of addition by subtraction in terms of Reds hitters next year. Removing a lot of the negative WaR ab's for even 0.0 WaR ab's.

Literally adding a 1 WaR RF/DH/1B and a healthy McLain and the Reds are a top 10 offense.

But pitching---- the Reds desperately need at least a #3 to slot in behind Lodolo pushing Abbott to the 4th starter--- and praying that whomever wins the #5 spot in the rotation has a 4.50 ERA or better. Then the Reds have a chance.

McLain coming back is like a FA signing. As much as I will acknowledge the black hole of ab's that came from Benson, Fraley, CES, Martini, Marte, Ford etc etc---- the Reds priority this offseason needs to be a SP. Too bad Candy and Pagan are getting a combined $24mm next year-- that's your SP money.

With a healthy McLain (and maybe Friedl,) the Reds hitting isn't as bad as it appears-- because those guys suck up the wasted ab's this year. The pitching is also not as good as it appears--- Abbott is pitching way above his peripherals-- and the back end of the rotation (for 2025) all has question marks. Williamson, Ashcraft, Spiers, Lowder, Aguiar.

Basically the Reds need a Jack Flaherty type on a 1 year deal as I don't see them committing long term to a #2 type pitcher-- and a Matt Chapman/TEoscar Hernandez type hitter on a 1 year deal. Then the Reds are a playoff team.

TLDR: Personally I would prioritize a #2 SP over a hitter next year, mainly because they are harder to find and McLain coming back is like a FA signing.

I agree about the pitching, they also need a major hitter who can be the centerpiece of the line-up that pitchers are afraid to pitch to. They also need a late inning reliever/fireman that they've pretended Cruz is this season.

We need to not fall into the trap of thinking that one area may be in better shape than the others and no help is needed there. The fact is, the Reds need to be better in all areas to be more of a contender and less of a pretender.

[Kc61]

Anyone who had Spiers penciled into the rotation next year probably needs to come up with a plan B.

Spiers was a 3.59 ERA pitcher until the last three games. I haven’t given up on him at all. Maybe he’s fatigued, maybe the league has figured him out. He’ll work on it, make adjustments, and I believe will be in the running for a rotation spot next season.

[Kc61]

I agree about the pitching, they also need a major hitter who can be the centerpiece of the line-up that pitchers are afraid to pitch to. They also need a late inning reliever/fireman that they've pretended Cruz is this season.

We need to not fall into the trap of thinking that one area may be in better shape than the others and no help is needed there. The fact is, the Reds need to be better in all areas to be more of a contender and less of a pretender.

They won’t do all this, and if they try they will probably fail. Because you can’t fix everything in one off-season with a limited budget. You have to prioritize. They’ll add pitching depth and call up guys from the minors. But the priority needs to be the offense.

As you’ve said, and I agree, the lineup this year has several spots manned by non-hitters. That has to change. And nobody fears the Reds lineup because it lacks thump. That has to change.

The trap is trying to do too much and accomplishing nothing.

[mth123]

They won’t do all this, and if they try they will probably fail. Because you can’t fix everything in one off-season with a limited budget. You have to prioritize. They’ll add pitching depth and call up guys from the minors. But the priority needs to be the offense.

As you’ve said, and I agree, the lineup this year has several spots manned by non-hitters. That has to change. And nobody fears the Reds lineup because it lacks thump. That has to change.

The trap is trying to do too much and accomplishing nothing.

I agree that it's a lot to do. That's why they should have done some of it at the deadline. Two economically priced middle of the order bats went for very little, yet the Reds in their overly simple-minded management style decided that buying was a waste of resources even though they'd have been buying for 2025 and beyond.

Whether it's lot to do or not, if they don't acquire all of those things, we'll be right back here in 4th place a year from now. I have no confidence that Krall is capable of pulling it off, but it's the only hope for avoiding another wasted season.

[Kc61]

I agree that it's a lot to do. That's why they should have done some of it at the deadline. Two economically priced middle of the order bats went for very little, yet the Reds in their overly simple-minded management style decided that buying was a waste of resources even though they'd have been buying for 2025 and beyond.

Whether it's lot to do or not, if they don't acquire all of those things, we'll be right back here in 4th place a year from now. I have no confidence that Krall is capable of pulling it off, but it's the only hope for avoiding another wasted season.

Many teams go into the season with imperfections. They fix up what they can and then add if the season is going ok. Most of the real contenders added meaningful players at the deadline, for example.

So I wouldn’t give up if the Reds still have holes on Opening Day.

But there’s nothing more demoralizing than a team that can’t hit. Pitching and defense come first, but it’s hard to build momentum if you don’t score. The fans don’t get excited if you don’t score. It’s like the team is dead. Reds must address that first and foremost.

They had a rough year in the majors and minors in 2024. But once things looked bleak, I can’t say Reds tried sufficiently to address it and salvage the season. Which is too bad.

[mth123]

Many teams go into the season with imperfections. They fix up what they can and then add if the season is going ok. Most of the real contenders added meaningful players at the deadline, for example.

So I wouldn’t give up if the Reds still have holes on Opening Day.

But there’s nothing more demoralizing than a team that can’t hit. Pitching and defense come first, but it’s hard to build momentum if you don’t score. The fans don’t get excited if you don’t score. It’s like the team is dead. Reds must address that first and foremost.

They had a rough year in the majors and minors in 2024. But once things looked bleak, I can’t say Reds tried sufficiently to address it and salvage the season. Which is too bad.

Don't for one minute think that adding 1 bat, 1 starter and 1 reliever takes away all the imperfections. There will still be plenty of imperfections. They just need to get to a minimally acceptable talent level for a team that aspires to win. They will still have a lot of holes, but hopefully they won't have any fatal flaws. I think a lacking middle of the order, a thin rotation and a shaky late inning relief corps is each on their own a fatal flaw.

They'll still have some defensive issues, some guys playing positions they shouldn't some guys who still strike out too much and have low OBPs, some relievers who will cough it up and a complete crapshoot at 5th starter. Then they'll suffer some injuries and poor performance that will create other holes. If there are so many significant holes to begin with, surviving the attrition of the long season will be impossible. Any positive developments will be needed to offset the inevitable bad ones. If they go into the season hoping for some positives just to keep their head above water, there is no way to withstand the negatives that come along.

We both know that the real answer is that they don't really aspire to win. I'm sure they'd be happy to win, but they aren't committed to it. So it will be more half measures, another season of missed opportunity and excuses related to injuries and the phases of the moon or whatever.

BTW, I've been personally demoralized a lot over the years by teams that could hit but couldn't pitch. That's actually how it's been for most of the last 30 years of futility.

[redsfan9988]

Here’s a post for Nick Martinez.

There may not be a a lot of drama left in the Reds season. Four games and four teams separate the Reds from the final NL Wild card spot, and with the D’Backs and Padres poised to never lose again, the Reds will have to be standard deviations better than the Braves, Mets, Cards, and Giants to make the playoffs. Unlikely. For Nick Martinez, however, the next seven weeks or so will be like a tightly-contested pennant race.

Martinez signed with the Reds likely thinking he’d have a shot at the rotation. It was his bad luck that Hunter Greene, Nick Lodolo, and Andrew Abbott all turned in to foundational pieces all at once. He’s been stellar in his role though, and now with Graham Ashcraft and Brandon Williamson sidelined - And Frankie Montas plying his wares with the Brewers, Martinez seems like he’s locked-in to a rotation spot for the remainder of 2024.

He has an ERA creeping towards 3.00. He never walks anyone. He has a shot at eclipsing 130 innings. If he wants to be the next Charlie Morton - it’s right there for him. Teams had success in converting stretch guys like Seth Lugo and Reynaldo Lopez in the full-go starters in 2024.

If Martinez can show he’s capable of handling a SP workload through the end of the year, my guess is he gets ~3 years and $60MM from some pitching-thirsty fringe contender. If he fails, the type of opt-out heavy deal the Reds signed him to in 2024 seems more likely.

He’s pacing because he wants to win… but he’s also pacing because this is his last chance to make ****-you money from playing professional ball.

He seems like a great guy. I’m rooting hard for him. I hope he pitches so well that he prices himself out of Brewers/Cards/Cubs territory and takes $60MM from the Giants and/or BoSox next year. Go Nick Go!

Good job, Nick. Go get paid.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The Bats' pitching staff has a chance to be truly exceptional in 2025. It's certainly stacked with all manner of interesting prospects-- depth pieces, BOR innings eating prospects, wildcards who could flame out or become All-Stars, and elite top 100 guys. Of the 10 guys(!) mentioned here who have real chances at roles in Cincinnati, 9 have to be protected on the 40-man roster. That'd put 22 pitchers on the Reds' 40-man roster-- a bit pitcher-heavy, but absolutely acceptable.

Connor Phillips
The only way he becomes a Red on Opening Day is, IMO, injury and AFL/ Spring Training excellence. That's honestly possible from Phillips. He has a hard-throwing upper 90s fastball with wicked slider and no idea of where either is going. That could work as a relief arm, but as a starter, he'll need better control-- the type of which he showed after coming back from an extended stay in Arizona tinkering with his delivery. I suspect he'll front the Bat rotation and provide an arm if he continues to show those last 25 innings were for real. If not, there's always the pen.
If everything hits, think: Luis Castillo
Most likely, he's: Lucas Sims-- or Steve Blass

Chase Petty
Upper 90s fastball, great breaking stuff, and a season of logging innings and making starts. He's shown a little bit of everything on his way up the ladder, and the 21-year-old should be among the better prospects in the system and the game. I don't think he'll be the first call in case of injury or ineffectiveness-- in fact, you could make the claim that he'd be fourth on the list-- but he might be the best call. Upside plus adequacy. He's underrated in the same vein as Tyler Mahle.
If everything hits, think: Short King Hunter Greene
Most likely, he's: Tyler Mahle (Really like Petty)

Jose Acuna
With apologies to Phillips, Acuna might help his prospect status most with how he pitches in the AFL. His stuff isn't on par with Phillips or Petty. Few are. But he finds ways to be successful. His numbers have been dominant in every league except the International. Was that a late-season blip or a precursor to minor league journeyman status? He's also incredibly young. I really like him as a BOR innings eater or relief arm in the Dauri Moreta style, but he might not get that opportunity in Cincinnati. Several guys with more intriguing tools (if lesser production) are ahead of him on the pecking order. That's why the AFL is important-- he can establish a new tier in his prospect helium and perhaps make the Reds take more notice of his talents.
If everything hits, think: Pete Harnisch
Most likely, he's: Connor Overton

Carson Spiers
Lost in his late-season struggles (as bad as they've been) is that Spiers has been an unqualified success as a prospect. He was an UDFA out of Clemson and has been steady if not exceptional throughout his minor league career. Assuming relatively decent health for the pitching staff, I don't think he'll make the Reds out of Spring Training, but he's exactly the type of AAAA minor league free agent krall and company sign to provide innings and adequacy in Louisville and as a depth piece for the parent club. In AAA, he was elite in 2024 in short innings.
If everything hits, think: Ben Lively
Most likely, he's: Larry Luebbers

Julian Aguiar
Aguiar flew through three levels this season, making his major league debut with seven starts when injuries took out the entire starting staff in August. He's a control guy with a mid-90s, slightly faster than average fastball and a couple good breaking balls. (His sinker gets walloped-- that'll need to be tinkered with.) He currently looks like an innings eating BOR guy in the Graham Ashcraft mold, but with much, much better control. (That's where most of his issues cropped up-- and where he should shine moving forward.) In AAA, he's likely a TOR guy, one of five the Bats can throw against opposing teams.
If everything hits, think: Bronson Arroyo
Most likely, he's: Sam LeCure
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Lyon Richardson
He's on the 40-man roster and has had a couple cups of coffee with the Reds. Both have been extremely bitter. He's been moved into the Nick Martinez hybrid role, and that should be what he does in 2025, barring struggles or injuries. Richardson has a live arm, but not much time on the mound due to injury. He's always been a bit wild-- this year, it cost him. If he can harness his control, he can be a solid starter, but that ship has largely passed, I think. As a reliever, he should be able to get the ball to the plate in a hurry. He's the next iteration of Lucas Sims, but with four pitches. With several pitchers to protect, I don't think he's likely to make the Opening Day roster, but he could well move up if they need bullpen help. He's among the options they'll turn to and is a solid depth piece. He has one option left.
If everything hits, think: Lucas Sims
Most likely, he's: Out of baseball in three years

Yosver Zulueta
Another Sims/ Cruz clone, after coming over from the Toronto system, Zulueta performed fairly well in the minors and majors. Zulueta has likely pushed himself ahead of Richardson on the depth chart with his relative success as a reliever in Cincinnati. He struggles to throw strikes, but can get it to the plate in the upper 90s consistently with a wipeout slider. I like him as one of many live arms the Reds can turn to as options when their relief corps gets tired or hurt. He also has one option left after this season. Expect him to ride the I-71 shuttle early and often.
If everything hits, think: Cuban Lucas Sims
Most like, he's: Blake Wood

Zach Maxwell
Maxwell doesn't have to be protected until next off-season, so he's almost assuredly not going to pitch in Cincinnati unless he deserves the promotion with absolutely filthy numbers. He might well get there. IMO, Maxwell will be the closer on a Bat team that should see plenty of close games. He's got a fastball that hits triple digits often and a back-foot slider that's impossible to hit. It's also rarely a strike. His fastball is too, and that's why he needs time in AAA. (And why his time this year wasn't all that great.) Of the guys in AAA, he's probably 10th in line, but visions of Rob Dibble pop in my head when I see him throw. That ain't nothing.
If everything hits, think: Fat Lucas Sims
Most likely, he's: Jumbo Diaz

Andrew Moore
Moore dominated Dayton for short innings, then pitched in Chattanooga. He wasn't very good, though his K totals were elite. Like those ahead of him, he throws very hard and with very little control. I think that velocity will get him a 40-man roster spot and allow the Reds to see what he can do in limited innings in the dog days of August. He'll be a depth piece for sure, but his stuff may allow him to be a real help once he gets to Cincinnati. He might co-close with Maxwell. At age 25, he's fairly old for a prospect, but I like his stuff.
If everything hits, think: Bearded Lucas Sims
Most likely, he's: Bill Risley

Luis Mey
Notice a theme with Red relievers? Mey's another in a long, long line of hard throwers who can't control it. He's an AFL guy who they'll have to make a decision on in the off-season. If he shows out, Mey would be similar to Moore, Zulueta, and Richardson-- the good stuff brigade who might walk the bases loaded while K'ing the side. He owns a triple digit fastball and could well be a sleeper for Cincinnati innings a couple months into the season. He'll be on the 40-man and an option for Cincinnati.
If everything hits, think: The Dominican Lucas Sims
Most likely, he's: Released, wherein the Rays will pick him up and see him become a dominant closer for four seasons

[Bourgeois Zee]

If the above comes to pass, that'd make the Chattanooga staff:

- Carson Rudd (unless he get taken in the Rule V-- which is possible)
- Ryan Cardona (unless he gets nabbed in the Rule V draft-- which is possible)
- Bryce Hubbart*
- Javi Rivera
- Jose Franco

That rotation, while far weaker than Louisville's, could be bolstered in short order by several 2023 and 2024 draftees. While it's not as replete with prospects as is Louisville's, it's got its share of interesting arms. I really like Rivera, Franco, and Cardona as possible BOR SP and likely bullpen help as early as 2026.

Ryan Cardona had the best season in 2024. His second half was absolutely dominant-- filthy. How does 50-ish innings of 1.87 ERA ball grab you? 47 Ks v. 15 BBs will also do. He was ready for the call-up to Chattanooga, but it never came. I suspect they're trying to hide him a bit. Cardona's old for the league, and his stuff doesn't appear to be fantastic. Solid fastball velocity, good control. Unsure of his breaking stuff, but those numbers are undeniable. Might get tagged in the Rule V as a result. (Too far down the ladder, IMO, to get a 40-man roster spot.) Really like him as a BOR guy-- and he might be more.

Hubbart had a nice start to his Chattanooga tenure, but has largely been disappointing since being drafted in the 3rd round out of FSU. He's probably the guy with the most to prove here. Still, he's LH and has prospect helium.

Carson Rudd went from reliever to spot starter in his first Lookout season. I'm guessing he'll begin in the rotation-- until Chase Burns shows he's ready for AA. Really like his K totals, but his BBs are problematic. Sounds like another Lucas Sims to me. Maybe there's room in the Louisville pen...

Jose Franco began the season in Daytona, proved ready for Dayton, then performed nearly as well there. That's a heck of a comeback season for a guy on the shelf due to Tommy John in 2023. The Reds were careful with his innings, but that 3.52 ERA was in 76.2. I'm guessing they bump him up, as he has little to prove in Dayton and could be a real prospect as early as this off-season. Sneaky good prospect here. He bears watching.

Speaking of sneaky good, check out Javi Rivera's stats and tell me he's not better than his production. 11 Ks/9, stingy with the free passes (2.8/9), doesn't allow hits either. That 0.4 HR/9 indicates he's a groundball guy. His FIP was a pristine 2.75. That bears interest.

[Bourgeois Zee]

That would then mean the following would be options for Dayton's 10-man piggyback system:
- Chase Burns
- Luke Holman
- Tristan Smith
- Ty Floyd
- Nestor Lorant
- Adam Serwinowski*
- Logan Van Treeck*
- Jose Montero
- Ben Brutti
- Brian Edington

More option beyond that. Dayton's pitching staff could well be stacked.

We all know about Burns. Holman, Smith, Floyd (after a season-long injury), and perhaps VanTreeck may well join him in a Power 5 first-season rotation chock full-a college guys. Holman, Floyd, and Burns should be fast risers and may make Chattanooga quickly. Lorant was the FSL PotY. He's a bit short on stuff, but his changeup is fantastic. He's a pitchability guy on a roster of gas, gas, and more gas. I'm hoping he can teach that changeup to others here. Serwinowski was nearly as good as Lorant in Daytona, but three years his junior. Kid's got a fantastic future and may well end up in Cincinnati's top five and the Top 100 by the end of the season. Montero is young and had a very good season in Daytona. Brutti did too. Edington is old; I'm guessing he gets that 10th spot in the piggyback system. In all, there are nine legitimate prospects in this group. How they go will largely determine the next wave of Red pitchers.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Bringing up the rear, Daytona should see at least some of the following at the beginning of the season (in addition to those who don't make Dayton's 10-man staff):

- Cole Schoenwetter
- Ovis Portes
- David Lorduy
- Adrian Herrera
- Dualvert Gutierrez
- Gabriel Aguilera
- Hunter Hollan*
- Nick Sando*
- Luis Morelis
- Ricardo Quintana
- JuanPierre Ortiz
- Gabe Starks

Lorduy has the filthiest stuff here, and that's saying something. Portes and Schoenwetter were on-again, off-again guys. Live arms should be fun to watch. Hollan might well be sneaky good. He'll be a year removed from injuries and is slumming it in the Florida State League a bit. He's old for the league and pitched in the SEC. He also supposedly has a really good changeup and a solid fastball. If he's healthy, he'll put up monster numbers. Sando looks solid in small innings. Ortiz was a 2023 JC draftee who looked really, really good in super small innings. The Reds seem to like Herrera a lot-- he was 19 and pitched the most of anyone in the ACL. That rope should show well in 2025 Florida, where the ball doesn't travel much at all.

[texasdave]

Buried down in the Dominican, the Reds have an 18-year-old lefthander worth keeping an eye on. Christian Lopez put together the following numbers: 47.1 IP, 30 H, 14 BB. 64 K. That works out to 5.7 H/9, 2.7 BB/9 and 12.2 K/9. He did not allow a single home run all season. Certainly, he has miles to go before he sniffs the big leagues. But, hey, you have to start somewhere. And, that's a tasty start.

[krazzy]

With the injuries and a few other considerations, I’m updating my projections

Cincinnati
Greene
Lodolo
Abbott
Lowder
Martinez- I think the Reds will give him a QO if they can’t work out a deal. Can’t see him turning down a QO


Louisville
Petty
Phillips
Aguiar
Ashcraft
Spires
Acuña

Chattanooga
Abel
Cardona
Franco
Rivera
Parks

Dayton
Burns
Holman
Serwinowski
Floyd
Lorant
Lyons

Daytona
Schoenwetter
Hollan
Lorduy
Huggins
Montero
Martinez
Payero
Morellis

[krazzy]

ACL Reds
Christian Lopez
Stharlin Torres
Edgar Colon
Moises Castillo
Emmanuel Taiavera
Oneil Diaz