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    Post-season top 20 list, after a month and a half of real progress for many prospects:

    1. Rhett Lowder, SP MLB
    Monster debut for the Reds as a dominant starter. Looks like he might well be able to go long in games as a peak Bronson Arroyo type. Provides massive upside and a solid floor as well. He's penciled in as their #4 starter now, but I suspect he'll be better than that as next season progresses. A favorite for NL ROY next year, he's among the game's best pitching prospects and should be a top 10 prospect.

    2. Chase Burns, SP 2024 Draft
    The Reds have been able to churn out several starters with decent stuff in recent seasons. Burns has elite stuff similar to Hunter Greene, but is far more advanced in terms of breaking balls. He'll need a couple months but could well be on the Rhett Lowder track-- ready to be a difference-maker by mid-August. Will be a top 50 prospect even with no time spent in the minors after being drafted. High floor and massive ceiling. Likely a top 100 prospect-- might sneak into the top 50.

    3. Edwin Arroyo, SS AA
    Still super young, despite losing a full season. Arroyo will play SS at the major league level. Suprising power and aggressive speed give him 30/50 ceiling and likely at least 15/30 combo as a defense-first middle infielder. His high floor gives him a bump over Collier, IMO. Will likely play in AA this year with, for the first time, a super talented group around him. I want to see how he responds to that, for sure. He could well move down a spot, should he struggle in the AFL in November. He has to show that his BA will be sufficient enough that he sticks. That's really the only worry.

    4. Cam Collier, 3B/1B High A
    At the halfway point of the season, I was ready to drop him out of my top 10 entirely. He then got nova hot and showed why the Reds tabbed him among the best prospects in his draft. (That continues to be an exceptional bit of draft chicanery.) He's still super young and the 2024 Red MiPoY has tools enough to get him on the top 100 lists-- likely inside the top 50. At his best, Collier walks as much as he K's and can be that middle of the order bat the Reds desperately need. Not sure if he's a legitimate 3B or not. He'll need to stay on top of his physical conditioning. I'd like to see him drop a few pounds-- or hulk out and play 1B. He needs to hit the ball in the air far more than he does currently-- though he's improved on that front this season.

    5. Sal Stewart, 2B/3B High A
    Had Stewart stayed healthy, he'd likely be my #2 or #3 prospect. Alas, a freak injury cost him months of the season. Stewart might be an offensive-minded 2B in the Jonathan India mold, but he's most likely a plus defender at the hot corner. (He has a very, very good arm that's largely wasted at 2B.) He's a fairly large man who plays like a smaller one. Lots of BBs and very few Ks gives me real hope that there's more locked inside there too-- especially if he can get to more power moving forward. To me, he's an Aaron Boone type at 3B, though Stewart has a better hit tool and more patience. Maybe DJ LaMahieu? Stewart should make some top 100 lists, but his injury will likely mean they'll ignore him. They shouldn't. Dude's for real.

    6. Chase Petty, SP AAA
    Another second half All-Star, Petty struggled mightily in April, but quietly righted his ship for the rest of the season. He ended up with an ERA below 3.50 for May through September and a late season promotion to Louisville showed that he was ready for AAA at the tender age of 21. Production is not, however, why he's on this list. His stuff is exceptional-- upper 90s heat he carries late in games, very good breaking stuff, and (though he struggled a bit last year) a propensity to throw strikes when he's on top of his game. He's trying to find balance between location and stuff now; the intriguing part of that is that he's proven successful at both approaches. That's some true next-level pitching going on. He's not just a thrower-- that's why I really like him to be a Tyler Mahle type MOR guy.

    7. Sammy Stafura, SS High A
    Stafura was as bad as could be after being drafted last year, but certainly righted the ship this year. He breezed through Arizona and put up good enough numbers in Daytona (121 wRC+) to ensure that he'll be a Dragon next year. Stafura is a likely SS and certain middle of the diamond guy who looks like he'll end up with decent power-- he's a 15+ HR guy in the GABP, given starts. Where he'll make his money, though, is in his approach and speed. Guy's going to be a table-setter capable of 50 SB at his peak. Reminds me a bit of Matt McLain, though I don't think he'll get to as much power. Could well be in the discussion for top 100 lists due to age, position, approach, and production.

    8. Alfredo Duno, C Low A
    Another who missed real time in the season, I'm hoping Duno makes up for it in the AFL. (And think he might.) His power is precocious. Old man skills are apparent-- he reminds me of Salvador Perez or Carlos Santana as they are now (not at their peak). And those two comps are why he's not in my top five-- I'm just not sure if he ends up a catcher. He's got enough tools to keep trying him there-- supposedly has a cannon for an arm and is a good framer (again, supposedly) for a super young guy. He could well end up legitimately good behind the plate, but that's such a crapshoot with young guys. The power is good enough that he could well bop 35+ in the GABP even with a low BA. K issues might be bad, but he's super young. He should improve with PAs.

    9. Julian Aguiar, SP MLB
    This is the beginning of the second tier. (That top eight has legitimately outstanding upside.) Aguiar got through AA relatively unscathed with his mid 90s, slightly above average fastball and three decent off-speed pitches. Nothing he has will blow you away, but he's capable with all four pitches. I like his cutter/ change-up-- and he throws it a lot. According to Statcast, the sinker's gotten absolutely mashed, but the other three pitches grade as really (and suprisingly, considering his overall numbers) excellent. He's a bit HR happy, but that's part and parcel of calling the GABP home. I expect that to drop a bit (if given innings). I really like Aguiar's progression and could see him as a viable BOR SP next year or as exceptional AAA depth in case the rotation needs him. I'd really like him as a multi-inning, one-time-through-the-order guy in the bullpen too, if that's the way they want to go. Not sure if he gets to his ceiling in Cincinnati, but he's an innings eater who might well end up being more than the sum of his parts for somebody as he matures.

    10. Connor Phillips, P AAA
    To call what he did for the first three months this season a struggle is to embarass all struggles. Phillips had perhaps the worst opening half to a season I've ever seen for a legitimate prospect. Absolutely, horribly poor. He couldn't find the plate with radar, and his stuff was hammered when it did happen over the dish. The Red took him back to Arizona to re-think his delivery for a couple months, and he came back largely as the prospect he was pre-2024. 21.2 innings in 5 late-season starts with a 2.49 ERA, 10 K/9, and 4.5 BB/9. That's too many BBs, of course, but it's a damn sight better than what he'd done earlier. As is, Phillips is likely a late-inning relief arm. But he might end up Luis Castillo. It's this upside that carries him into the top 10.

    Others considered:
    - Ricardo Cabrera
    Based on offense alone, he's a top 10 pick, but he's between positions defensively. That impacts where he might end up. I'd like to see him try CF and give his plus wheels a chance to impact the game. Didn't hit as well as last season, but he's still super young.

    - Adam Serwinowski
    Only 20, he'll be in most top 10s across the game. I like his peripherals a great deal, but pitchers tend to get hurt. He has a long way to go and will need to pitch well to get there. Really nice velocity and a developing feel for control give me hope that he may well blossom quicker than most.

    - Tyson Lewis
    Based purely on scouting reports, Lewis is similar to Tyler Callihan, Matt McLain, and Sammy Stafura-- middle infielder with precocious hitting ability and a baseball rat. Like that LH swing. We'll see how it translates to pro ball next season.

    - Mike Sirota
    High floor, IMO, with what should grade out as above average to plus defense in CF. Like the pop and that he hits the ball square when he hits it. Hopefully, the whiff issues that dogged him early this year don't return. Might be a monster return, as he has top 10 upside.

    - Sheng-En Len
    Super young (18) for how well he hit this year in Arizona. Will apparently move positions offensively and pitch (where most scouts liked him better) in Instructs. I'd love to see how he does out there. Alas, that's not happening. With just the numbers in front of us, he's a good prospect, but he might be hiding even more.

    - Hector Rodriguez
    A very good hit tool, Rodriguez would rank far higher were he to use his legs more often. He also needs to walk more. Still, he's showing suprising power and is still just 20. There's hope that he figures it out. He's got upside beyond fifth OF, but even if that's all he is, that's a win.

    - Yerlin Confidan
    On the struggle bus for two years after being tabbed ACL MVP in 2022, Confidan was put in the lead-off position in the batting order and blossomed. Was among the very best hitters in the FSL for the last four months of the season. OPSed 850 in his last 250 PAs. Shocked me that he played some CF in 2024-- didn't see that coming at all. At 21, he's age-appropriate but might get aggressively promoted if he shows aptitude in Dayton next season. Nice comeback season.

    - Jose Acuna
    Speaking of comebacks, Acuna was on the shelf for most of the season and didn't come back until late. He was his usual dominant self upon return, putting up phenomenal numbers in limited innings in Chattanooga before struggling mightily in Louisville in a 12-inning debut. I expect he'll be a AAA mainstay next season behind Aguiar, Petty, and (perhaps) Phillips. If so, that's a heck of a pitching staff-- one that would have been starting in Cincinnati in years past.

    - Carlos Jorge
    Jorge had a completely forgettable season. He struggled early-- badly-- then just when he seemed to not completely suck, got hurt. Why's he here, then? Because as bad as he was, he was still league average. Jorge plays CF, steals bases at an exceptional rate, and has a little pop-- he should have a high floor. Dude hit .295 in 2023, so it's not like he's incapable. I'm going to give him another year before dropping him out of the rankings entirely. Jorge just turned 22 too-- he's a relative baby.

    - Bernard Moon
    Speaking of babies, Moon's 19 and just enjoyed an 800+ OPS. That's great. He's also a 2B and seems like he might stick there. (8 errors isn't horrible, and his range seems really good, according to range factor per game.) That said, Moon's primary attribute is his hit tool. That .304 ranked in the top 15 of ACL teams (150 PAs min.). More, his .424 OBP ranked 9th (again, 150 PAs or more). He doesn't seem to have the wheels of Henley (who is typically ranked ahead of him on prospect lists) nor does he play CF, but that bat should play quite well moving forward.
    Good list!

    I like you including Confidan. He looked really good the second half. Where's Balcazar? He finally looked like the before knee injury Balcazar in the second have and arguably had the best last quarter of a season in the minors with a .322AVE, 867 OPS line over his last 30.

    I worry about the wrist of Stewart. I read he was deep and possibly there is nerve damage.

    Stafura looks like the one who could take the biggest jump next year. He attacks the ball and doesn't seem to be fooled in his ABs...

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    Re: My top prospect list

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    Good list!

    I like you including Confidan. He looked really good the second half. Where's Balcazar? He finally looked like the before knee injury Balcazar in the second have and arguably had the best last quarter of a season in the minors with a .322AVE, 867 OPS line over his last 30.

    I worry about the wrist of Stewart. I read he was deep and possibly there is nerve damage.

    Stafura looks like the one who could take the biggest jump next year. He attacks the ball and doesn't seem to be fooled in his ABs...
    1. Balcazar is behind Jorge and Moon, within the next five hitters. My blurb would have been:

    Leo Balcazar
    Balcazar's line looks circumspect, but he took four months to adjust to Dayton. As a 19-year-old, that kind of makes sense. As one who came off ACL surgery, that makes even more sense. A blistering hot August shows his upside. Can he reach that more consistently? We'll see. The Reds obviously like his defense-- they've moved several guys who seemed ahead of him on the prospect chain.

    Here are my next five hitters in no order, with lesser comments:

    - Kyle Heneley (70 speed and very good tools in CF, but questions about his bat)
    - Adolfo Sanchez (Big-time talent, but big-time struggles acclimating to the DSL-- long way to go)
    - Naibel Mariano (Ditto, but with even worse struggles offensively)
    - Tyler Callihan (His AA and up numbers are good-- right at an .800 OPS with double digit HR and a .280+ BA-- but he has serious troubles staying on the field. Those numbers are across two seasons and only encapsulate 400 PAs)
    - Payton Stovall (2024 draftee who found some power at Arkansas last season and supposedly plays a solid 2B)

    2. I hadn't heard about the seriousness of Stewarts' injury. If that's true, it's scary. Something to watch next season. I'd love to see any reporting on this.

    3. Biggest jumper? Stafura only has a couple guys ahead of him on the list who have much of a chance of getting any time in Cincinnati next season-- maybe three if I squint really hard (and the Reds have injury issues). Even if he becomes the top prospect on the list (which is possible), he's "only" jumping six spots. Others outside the top 20 could absolutely jump more. Ty Floyd Luke Holman, Tristan Smith, even Luke Hayden (as a RP who moves three or four(!) levels in one season) could go all the way into the top 10-- a far bigger jump.

    Of those on the list, I'd argue Adam Serwinowski could also get in the mix as a top prospect if not the top prospect. The "bad" news for his prospect status is that, even should he dominate in Daytona, kid's unlikely to move up until late in the season. There are tons of starters who almost assuredly ahead of him on the ladder who the Reds will want to look at-- lots of them with injury issues. (Not sure how that works itself out, at this rate, but that's another thread.) Acuna could also get a massive bump-- guy's put up great numbers everywhere he's pitched (aside from Louisville).

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    Re: My top prospect list

    Quote Originally Posted by Bourgeois Zee View Post
    Post-season top 20 list, after a month and a half of real progress for many prospects:

    1. Rhett Lowder, SP MLB
    Monster debut for the Reds as a dominant starter. Looks like he might well be able to go long in games as a peak Bronson Arroyo type. Provides massive upside and a solid floor as well. He's penciled in as their #4 starter now, but I suspect he'll be better than that as next season progresses. A favorite for NL ROY next year, he's among the game's best pitching prospects and should be a top 10 prospect.

    2. Chase Burns, SP 2024 Draft
    The Reds have been able to churn out several starters with decent stuff in recent seasons. Burns has elite stuff similar to Hunter Greene, but is far more advanced in terms of breaking balls. He'll need a couple months but could well be on the Rhett Lowder track-- ready to be a difference-maker by mid-August. Will be a top 50 prospect even with no time spent in the minors after being drafted. High floor and massive ceiling. Likely a top 100 prospect-- might sneak into the top 50.

    3. Edwin Arroyo, SS AA
    Still super young, despite losing a full season. Arroyo will play SS at the major league level. Suprising power and aggressive speed give him 30/50 ceiling and likely at least 15/30 combo as a defense-first middle infielder. His high floor gives him a bump over Collier, IMO. Will likely play in AA this year with, for the first time, a super talented group around him. I want to see how he responds to that, for sure. He could well move down a spot, should he struggle in the AFL in November. He has to show that his BA will be sufficient enough that he sticks. That's really the only worry.

    4. Cam Collier, 3B/1B High A
    At the halfway point of the season, I was ready to drop him out of my top 10 entirely. He then got nova hot and showed why the Reds tabbed him among the best prospects in his draft. (That continues to be an exceptional bit of draft chicanery.) He's still super young and the 2024 Red MiPoY has tools enough to get him on the top 100 lists-- likely inside the top 50. At his best, Collier walks as much as he K's and can be that middle of the order bat the Reds desperately need. Not sure if he's a legitimate 3B or not. He'll need to stay on top of his physical conditioning. I'd like to see him drop a few pounds-- or hulk out and play 1B. He needs to hit the ball in the air far more than he does currently-- though he's improved on that front this season.

    5. Sal Stewart, 2B/3B High A
    Had Stewart stayed healthy, he'd likely be my #2 or #3 prospect. Alas, a freak injury cost him months of the season. Stewart might be an offensive-minded 2B in the Jonathan India mold, but he's most likely a plus defender at the hot corner. (He has a very, very good arm that's largely wasted at 2B.) He's a fairly large man who plays like a smaller one. Lots of BBs and very few Ks gives me real hope that there's more locked inside there too-- especially if he can get to more power moving forward. To me, he's an Aaron Boone type at 3B, though Stewart has a better hit tool and more patience. Maybe DJ LaMahieu? Stewart should make some top 100 lists, but his injury will likely mean they'll ignore him. They shouldn't. Dude's for real.

    6. Chase Petty, SP AAA
    Another second half All-Star, Petty struggled mightily in April, but quietly righted his ship for the rest of the season. He ended up with an ERA below 3.50 for May through September and a late season promotion to Louisville showed that he was ready for AAA at the tender age of 21. Production is not, however, why he's on this list. His stuff is exceptional-- upper 90s heat he carries late in games, very good breaking stuff, and (though he struggled a bit last year) a propensity to throw strikes when he's on top of his game. He's trying to find balance between location and stuff now; the intriguing part of that is that he's proven successful at both approaches. That's some true next-level pitching going on. He's not just a thrower-- that's why I really like him to be a Tyler Mahle type MOR guy.

    7. Sammy Stafura, SS High A
    Stafura was as bad as could be after being drafted last year, but certainly righted the ship this year. He breezed through Arizona and put up good enough numbers in Daytona (121 wRC+) to ensure that he'll be a Dragon next year. Stafura is a likely SS and certain middle of the diamond guy who looks like he'll end up with decent power-- he's a 15+ HR guy in the GABP, given starts. Where he'll make his money, though, is in his approach and speed. Guy's going to be a table-setter capable of 50 SB at his peak. Reminds me a bit of Matt McLain, though I don't think he'll get to as much power. Could well be in the discussion for top 100 lists due to age, position, approach, and production.

    8. Alfredo Duno, C Low A
    Another who missed real time in the season, I'm hoping Duno makes up for it in the AFL. (And think he might.) His power is precocious. Old man skills are apparent-- he reminds me of Salvador Perez or Carlos Santana as they are now (not at their peak). And those two comps are why he's not in my top five-- I'm just not sure if he ends up a catcher. He's got enough tools to keep trying him there-- supposedly has a cannon for an arm and is a good framer (again, supposedly) for a super young guy. He could well end up legitimately good behind the plate, but that's such a crapshoot with young guys. The power is good enough that he could well bop 35+ in the GABP even with a low BA. K issues might be bad, but he's super young. He should improve with PAs.

    9. Julian Aguiar, SP MLB
    This is the beginning of the second tier. (That top eight has legitimately outstanding upside.) Aguiar got through AA relatively unscathed with his mid 90s, slightly above average fastball and three decent off-speed pitches. Nothing he has will blow you away, but he's capable with all four pitches. I like his cutter/ change-up-- and he throws it a lot. According to Statcast, the sinker's gotten absolutely mashed, but the other three pitches grade as really (and suprisingly, considering his overall numbers) excellent. He's a bit HR happy, but that's part and parcel of calling the GABP home. I expect that to drop a bit (if given innings). I really like Aguiar's progression and could see him as a viable BOR SP next year or as exceptional AAA depth in case the rotation needs him. I'd really like him as a multi-inning, one-time-through-the-order guy in the bullpen too, if that's the way they want to go. Not sure if he gets to his ceiling in Cincinnati, but he's an innings eater who might well end up being more than the sum of his parts for somebody as he matures.

    10. Connor Phillips, P AAA
    To call what he did for the first three months this season a struggle is to embarass all struggles. Phillips had perhaps the worst opening half to a season I've ever seen for a legitimate prospect. Absolutely, horribly poor. He couldn't find the plate with radar, and his stuff was hammered when it did happen over the dish. The Red took him back to Arizona to re-think his delivery for a couple months, and he came back largely as the prospect he was pre-2024. 21.2 innings in 5 late-season starts with a 2.49 ERA, 10 K/9, and 4.5 BB/9. That's too many BBs, of course, but it's a damn sight better than what he'd done earlier. As is, Phillips is likely a late-inning relief arm. But he might end up Luis Castillo. It's this upside that carries him into the top 10.

    Others considered:
    - Ricardo Cabrera
    Based on offense alone, he's a top 10 pick, but he's between positions defensively. That impacts where he might end up. I'd like to see him try CF and give his plus wheels a chance to impact the game. Didn't hit as well as last season, but he's still super young.

    - Adam Serwinowski
    Only 20, he'll be in most top 10s across the game. I like his peripherals a great deal, but pitchers tend to get hurt. He has a long way to go and will need to pitch well to get there. Really nice velocity and a developing feel for control give me hope that he may well blossom quicker than most.

    - Tyson Lewis
    Based purely on scouting reports, Lewis is similar to Tyler Callihan, Matt McLain, and Sammy Stafura-- middle infielder with precocious hitting ability and a baseball rat. Like that LH swing. We'll see how it translates to pro ball next season.

    - Mike Sirota
    High floor, IMO, with what should grade out as above average to plus defense in CF. Like the pop and that he hits the ball square when he hits it. Hopefully, the whiff issues that dogged him early this year don't return. Might be a monster return, as he has top 10 upside.

    - Sheng-En Len
    Super young (18) for how well he hit this year in Arizona. Will apparently move positions offensively and pitch (where most scouts liked him better) in Instructs. I'd love to see how he does out there. Alas, that's not happening. With just the numbers in front of us, he's a good prospect, but he might be hiding even more.

    - Hector Rodriguez
    A very good hit tool, Rodriguez would rank far higher were he to use his legs more often. He also needs to walk more. Still, he's showing suprising power and is still just 20. There's hope that he figures it out. He's got upside beyond fifth OF, but even if that's all he is, that's a win.

    - Yerlin Confidan
    On the struggle bus for two years after being tabbed ACL MVP in 2022, Confidan was put in the lead-off position in the batting order and blossomed. Was among the very best hitters in the FSL for the last four months of the season. OPSed 850 in his last 250 PAs. Shocked me that he played some CF in 2024-- didn't see that coming at all. At 21, he's age-appropriate but might get aggressively promoted if he shows aptitude in Dayton next season. Nice comeback season.

    - Jose Acuna
    Speaking of comebacks, Acuna was on the shelf for most of the season and didn't come back until late. He was his usual dominant self upon return, putting up phenomenal numbers in limited innings in Chattanooga before struggling mightily in Louisville in a 12-inning debut. I expect he'll be a AAA mainstay next season behind Aguiar, Petty, and (perhaps) Phillips. If so, that's a heck of a pitching staff-- one that would have been starting in Cincinnati in years past.

    - Carlos Jorge
    Jorge had a completely forgettable season. He struggled early-- badly-- then just when he seemed to not completely suck, got hurt. Why's he here, then? Because as bad as he was, he was still league average. Jorge plays CF, steals bases at an exceptional rate, and has a little pop-- he should have a high floor. Dude hit .295 in 2023, so it's not like he's incapable. I'm going to give him another year before dropping him out of the rankings entirely. Jorge just turned 22 too-- he's a relative baby.

    - Bernard Moon
    Speaking of babies, Moon's 19 and just enjoyed an 800+ OPS. That's great. He's also a 2B and seems like he might stick there. (8 errors isn't horrible, and his range seems really good, according to range factor per game.) That said, Moon's primary attribute is his hit tool. That .304 ranked in the top 15 of ACL teams (150 PAs min.). More, his .424 OBP ranked 9th (again, 150 PAs or more). He doesn't seem to have the wheels of Henley (who is typically ranked ahead of him on prospect lists) nor does he play CF, but that bat should play quite well moving forward.
    Just wanted to say I always appreciate a good well thought out list like this. I do not agree with it all, but mostly just little things here and there, but just wanted to say thanks
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