Marte Un-Appreciation Thread

[westofyou]

I'd be wary of tossing a guy like Marte aside based on a f'd up season.

It wasn't too long ago people were shooting Tyler Stephenson into the sun for eating crackers in bed

[mth123]

I'd be wary of tossing a guy like Marte aside based on a f'd up season.

It wasn't too long ago people were shooting Tyler Stephenson into the sun for eating crackers in bed

Agreed. He has a better hit tool than most of these guys. Having him start in AAA isn't tossing him aside. That's why I think they should focus spending in the OF and not the IF. Let Espinal serve as a stopgap until Marte regains his mojo. If he doesn't, Collier and Stewart are also within reach in 2025. Meanwhile an IF with McLain, EDLC and Espinal will be a refreshing change on defense.

[westofyou]

Agreed. He has a better hit tool than most of these guys. Having him start in AAA isn't tossing him aside. That's why I think they should focus spending in the OF and not the IF. Let Espinal serve as a stopgap until Marte regains his mojo. If he doesn't, Collier and Stewart are also within reach in 2025. Meanwhile an IF with McLain, EDLC and Espinal will be a refreshing change on defense.

Espinal as a starter not on my team. I don't like giving up ten outs to get one extra base hit from my third baseman

[LiferJim]

I'd be wary of tossing a guy like Marte aside based on a f'd up season.

It wasn't too long ago people were shooting Tyler Stephenson into the sun for eating crackers in bed

I myself haven’t totally given up on him yet, but he certainly doesn’t appear major league ready, offensively or defensively. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest he actually earns a position by performing well in AAA first.


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[mth123]

Espinal as a starter not on my team. I don't like giving up ten outs to get one extra base hit from my third baseman

Then they need to make an acquisition IMO. They have a team full of third baseman, but the only guys who can actually play 3B are the utility IF and the starting SS.

It doesn't make sense to me to put a lot of resources into a stopgap 3B when Marte, Collier and Stewart will likely all be on the 2025 roster at some point.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Espinal as a starter not on my team. I don't like giving up ten outs to get one extra base hit from my third baseman

I'd look to sign either Juan Soto (for ridiculous money) or two corner FA.

Currently, I'd lean toward the following OF:
LF Tyler O'Neill
RF Anthony Santander
RF Teoscar Hernandez
CF Cody Bellinger

At 3B, I'd be happy with:
- Alex Bregman
- Matt Chapman

At 1B, I'd check on:
- Pete Alonso
- Christian Walker

At DH, I'd like:
- JD Martinez

Were I to sign one of the above, I might be persuaded to gamble on (and save money on) one of the following instead of a second high-end FA:
- 3B Yoan Moncada
- RF Michael Conforto
- LF/RF/1B/DH Ryan O'Hearn
- OF Randal Grichuk
- LF Jesse Winker (though he'd be my DH almost exclusively-- as a result, I'd have to juggle my lineup concerning Steer and/ or India)
- OF Jurickson Profar
- C/DH Gary Sanchez
- 1B Paul Goldschmidt
- OF/DH Marcell Ozuna

IMO, Soto by himself would vault this club into contention. Barring that, they'll need two offensive corner guys, a backup C, a SP of some sort, plus assorted RP as depth pieces.

[Ron Madden]

What did he say? If this guy has an attitude that he’s made it or he is entitled. How does that look to the rest of the team? How is that developing a winning culture?

He's talking about a poster here who's username is Don Gullett

[westofyou]

He's talking about a poster here who's username is Don Gullett

There is no user with that name from what I can tell

[Ron Madden]

There is no user with that name from what I can tell

I got the poster's username wrong but it was a poster that said he was related to Don Gullett

[mth123]

I got the poster's username wrong but it was a poster that said he was related to Don Gullett

Is it DGullett35?? I remember the poster and very clearly the word "Gullett" was in his name. Don't remember if it was DGulltt35 though.

[westofyou]

I got the poster's username wrong but it was a poster that said he was related to Don Gullett

Which makes him a baseball expert via osmosis !!

[CySeymour]

The Reds are not going to sign Juan Soto. Even if they were willing to pony up the $$$ (which, really?) he would probably want to go to a team who can pay him similarly plus have a chance to win season in and season out.

[Wonderful Monds]

The Reds are not going to sign Juan Soto. Even if they were willing to pony up the $$$ (which, really?) he would probably want to go to a team who can pay him similarly plus have a chance to win season in and season out.

Yeah my eyes just kinda glaze over when I start seeing that kinda stuff in a comment lol

[Dave C]

But the question isn't whether CES can hit in the minors. The question is whether he can hit in the big-leagues and he showed pretty clearly that big league pitchers have him baffled. He has no idea when to swing and when to take, so he usually swings. He hit well in AAA, he came up and hit well to start, the league adjusted and he was completely overmatched. His scouting reports basically showed him with a well below average hit tool (35 on the 20 to 80 scale) and that's exactly what we saw this year. None of that has anything to do with his old injury. It was something he didn't know he had, it wasn't bothering him and I don't see how it affected him at the plate. It's certainly not the reason he was swinging at pitches over his head and in the opposite batters box.

He needs to go down and play. I don't see a spot for him in the big-league line-up unless the Reds completely pass on any acquisitions. He's better off playing every day, re-establishing himself and being ready when a spot opens.

Don't MLB players need to adjust at the MLB level? We just gave Benson a chance no other team in baseball would have and he pretty closely resembled his minor league career with that chance. After a PED's issue we've given Marte a massive chance too. Why doesn't CES get one? He showed much more than either of them in the minors and was better longer last year than Marte. Seems like he should get a chance before we block him with a signing.... which is what I think a lot here want for some reason. I've advocated for letting Benson go after this season... I'd do the same next year if CES puts up sub .200 numbers.

As for last year.... I just checked. CES started slow and was in the .210 range before he adjusted and rose up to around .270 at the end of the year. So.. he adjusted it seems... not the other way around.

Not often a guy who shows power to all fields and hits better at each successive level comes along in Red's land and we'd play Candy over giving him a chance?

[LiferJim]

Don't MLB players need to adjust at the MLB level? We just gave Benson a chance no other team in baseball would have and he pretty closely resembled his minor league career with that chance. After a PED's issue we've given Marte a massive chance too. Why doesn't CES get one? He showed much more than either of them in the minors and was better longer last year than Marte. Seems like he should get a chance before we block him with a signing.... which is what I think a lot here want for some reason. I've advocated for letting Benson go after this season... I'd do the same next year if CES puts up sub .200 numbers.

As for last year.... I just checked. CES started slow and was in the .210 range before he adjusted and rose up to around .270 at the end of the year. So.. he adjusted it seems... not the other way around.

Not often a guy who shows power to all fields and hits better at each successive level comes along in Red's land and we'd play Candy over giving him a chance?

I’m with you on that. If the Reds sign any impact player, it needs to be an outfielder, not another 1st baseman like France. They already have enough 1st baseman/DH types and nobody is going to want Candy for his price tag. I also agree if you’re going to give Benson 350 at bats this year and Marte over 200 at bats, CES deserves the same respect. Now if he shows up to spring training and shows no improvement with his plate discipline, then I could see making him start off in AAA. Otherwise I think he deserves a shot from the get go.


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