9-9-24 Reds @ Braves 6 40 PM

[Ky Fried Redleg]

How can they quit on something they've never been motivated by in the first place?

Wow, sir ! May I call you Plato from here on out? That's deep!

[Maldez]

France is having fun playing in Cincinnati.

Yep, and I sure hope he's back in 2025.

[Kingspoint]

Wow, sir ! May I call you Plato from here on out? That's deep!

Maybe Joe Friday.

Just the facts, ma'am.

[Ron Madden]

Lance McAlister's Game Recap

Cincinnati Reds 1 Braves 0

Nick Martinez was masterful, spinning seven innings of two-hit, shutout ball.

Ty France continues to make quite the impression, doubling in the game’s lone run in the 2nd inning.

Reds now 17-6 vs Braves (3-0), Yankees (3-0), Astros (3-0), Dodgers (4-3), Phillies (4-3)

Martinez: 7 IN, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 97 pitches.

2 H: France, Fraley, Rosario

The Braves managed just two hits, both by Matt Olson. .

Bullpen:
Cruz 1,0 IN
Diaz 1.0 IN, retired No. 1-3 in order for 27th save

Reds sixth shutout of the season.

SB: Fraley (20), Rosario (13)

How they scored;
2nd France RBI 2B, 1-0 Reds

[WVRedsFan]

How can they quit on something they've never been motivated by in the first place?

So, playing .500 is too much to ask of a Manager?

A Manager who can't get a team to .500 is a motivator, has his team playing hard?

Since when has Bell ever demonstrated that he has this team committed to giving their best?

We're not talking about talent-level here. We're talking about doing your best with what you've got and this David Bell led team has never demonstrated that. They've never respected him and had his back.

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Bingo!!

[LeatherPants]

Elly is not what the Reds need in the #2 slot. Striking out just under half the time you're at the plate is not helping his speed or setting things up for the other guys.

How is 30% "just under half the time you're at the plate"?

189 K's, 622 PA's=30.38%

[CrosleyVet]

How is 30% "just under half the time you're at the plate"?

189 K's, 622 PA's=30.38%

It's still way too many strike outs. The player he is most often compared to is Eric Davis, IN 1990, Davis struck out 100 times in 518 AB's. That,s 19%

[LeatherPants]

It's still way too many strike outs. The player he is most often compared to is Eric Davis, IN 1990, Davis struck out 100 times in 518 AB's. That,s 19%

The game has changed. The average in 1990 was 14.8% and today's game it's 22.5%

Davis struck out 35% more than the average hitter in 1990 and Elly strikes out 33% more than the average hitter in 2024, so essentially the same.

Edit to add:

K/9 rate for pitchers

2024 8.6

1990 5.7

[cumberlandreds]

It's still way too many strike outs. The player he is most often compared to is Eric Davis, IN 1990, Davis struck out 100 times in 518 AB's. That,s 19%

I agree with you. If EDLC wants to attain true super stardom he needs to cut down on the K's. Imagine if he cut his probable 200 this year down to 125 how many more times he would get on base. That's a lot of excitement not to mention runs this team would miss.

[KeefeCato]

The game has changed. The average in 1990 was 14.8% and today's game it's 22.5%

Davis struck out 35% more than the average hitter in 1990 and Elly strikes out 33% more than the average hitter in 2024, so essentially the same.

Edit to add:

K/9 rate for pitchers

2024 8.6

1990 5.7

Not to mention pitchers throwing much harder now than in 1990. Most teams have 2-3 relievers hitting 100 plus.
Pitching is far superior now than even 10 years ago.
If Elly keeps putting up these counting stats who cares about the Ks?
He is going to be a MVP one day and some Reds fans still complaining about his strikeouts.
Cincinnati might have the least knowledgeable sports fans in the country.

[LeatherPants]

I agree with you. If EDLC wants to attain true super stardom he needs to cut down on the K's. Imagine if he cut his probable 200 this year down to 125 how many more times he would get on base. That's a lot of excitement not to mention runs this team would miss.

He's going to end up with around 7 fWAR, and he's 22 years old, he's already a superstar.

His K numbers will go down as he gets older, but even if he's a finished product at 22, he's already one of the best players in the league.


As I showed a couple of posts ago, he's about the same percentage above the league average is as Davis was back in 1990. It's really not that big of a deal.

[cumberlandreds]

He's going to end up with around 7 fWAR, and he's 22 years old, he's already a superstar.

His K numbers will go down as he gets older, but even if he's a finished product at 22, he's already one of the best players in the league.


As I showed a couple of posts ago, he's about the same percentage above the league average is as Davis was back in 1990. It's really not that big of a deal.

But think how much better he could be if he would be able to cut down on those K's. Oh well.. 21st century baseball strikes again.

[Kingspoint]

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[Kingspoint]

As I showed a couple of posts ago, he's about the same percentage above the league average is as Davis was back in 1990. It's really not that big of a deal.

1986 would be the year to compare the two before Davis had 6 years of slamming his body against the terrible outfield wall and slamming his body against the horrible concrete surfaces of Riverfront.

If we're going to compare him to Eric Davis, compare him to similar seasons. Like Elly's first full-time season this year that would be Eric Davis' first full-time season of 1986 when he stole 80 bases and hit 27 homeruns. Eric "The RED" struck out 100 times in 487 PA's for a ratio of 20.5%. This was Eric Davis' Age-24 season (turned 24 May 29th). This is Elly's Age-22 season (turned 22 Jan 11th). He's had about 300 more mental errors than Davis had in 1986. By Elly's Age-24 season, I expect that number to drop significantly.

They brought up Eric Davis for 200 PA's his Age-22 season where he OPS'd about the same as Elly has so far in his career .786 for Davis vs. .774 for De La Cruz. Eric's K-rate probably got him sent back to the Minors as he had a 24% K-Rate that season, too high for standards of 1986. Davis was easily good enough to remain in the Majors, certainly having better fundamentals than Elly has right now. Davis had nothing to prove in the Minors OPS-ing .937 in AA/AAA in 1983 and 1.025 in AAA in 1984. But, even though he was OPS-ing .927 in AAA in 1985 his K-rate continued to hover around 25%, prompting the REDS to only give him 131 PA's with a lot fewer starts as his K-Rate rose to 30%. But, his OPS increased to .803, his Stolen Base success per time on base increased significantly, and he was just too talented to have him continue to work on his strikeout rate in the Minors for 1986. He apparently worked extremely hard on it during the off-season with success coming in 1986 and after with much fewer strikeouts, especially against Left-handers, where he put the fear of God into them.

It was criminal that during the All-Star break that they didn't pad the outfield walls (and the cheap Marge Schott did nothing at all ever to help with Davis' health and extend his career, not being able to see the forest through the trees with her miserly cost-cutting moves). It was even more criminal that they didn't rip up that horrible artificial turf and replace is with natural grass. If they had done that, Eric Davis would be in the Hall-of-Fame and #44 would have been retired before Adam Dunn ever had a chance to wear it.

Going down memory lane of that 1986 debut full-time season of Eric Davis...

RISP .294/.428/.559/.986 (131 PA's) (23.7% K-rate)
Man On .291/.398/.549/.947 (211 PA's) (23.7% K-rate)
2 outs, RISP .326/.500/.630/1.130 (62 PA's) (19.4% K-rate)
Late & Close .316/.398/.566/.964 (88 PA's) (19.3% K-rate)
7th Inning .333/.407/.708/1.116 (54 PA's) (14.8% K-rate)
8th Inning .356/.434/.533/.967 (53 PA's) (15.1% K-rate)
9th Inning .324/.410/.677/1.087 (39 PA's) (25.6% K-rate)