Thoughts on Sonny Gray?

[shredda2000]

Cards are thinking about trading him. Would he cost too much?

[redsfan39]

If I were Cincinnati, would rather pay a durable Nick Martinez than Sonny Gray who will frequent the IL.

[JCM11]

He's due 25 million in 2025, 35 million in 2026, and has a 5 million $ buyout on a 30 million team option for 2027. The Cards would have to pick up 20 million of that before I could see the Reds doing it. I'd say on a 2/40 deal it's a decent gamble as long as you're not giving up too much.

[Kc61]

He's due 25 million in 2025, 35 million in 2026, and has a 5 million $ buyout on a 30 million team option for 2027. The Cards would have to pick up 20 million of that before I could see the Reds doing it. I'd say on a 2/40 deal it's a decent gamble as long as you're not giving up too much.

That would be a reasonable move at $40 million for Reds - but I seriously doubt Reds will do anything to pursue Sonny Gray. He’s simply going to be too expensive. They can say whatever they want but I think this is a side show, and probably Nick Martinez for next year is a side show. Reds might do a QO for Nick if Reds are convinced he’ll reject it.

[OldFashionedRed]

No to Sonny. You left, stay gone.

[757690]

I hope the Reds are aggressive in getting Gray. I hope they agree to take on his entire salary, so that they don’t have to give up much in terms of prospects.

Gray would be a perfect addition to the Reds rotation. He’s an above average pitcher and can provide veteran leadership that the Reds desperately need. I can see him being the Scott Rolen for this team.

[OldFashionedRed]

I hope the Reds are aggressive in getting Gray. I hope they agree to take on his entire salary, so that they don’t have to give up much in terms of prospects.

Gray would be a perfect addition to the Reds rotation. He’s an above average pitcher and can provide veteran leadership that the Reds desperately need. I can see him being the Scott Rolen for this team.

Would a veteran starting pitcher have any real effect on the problem that this team has, offense?

[757690]

Would a veteran starting pitcher have any real effect on the problem that this team has, offense?

No, obviously. But he should be able to help with another problem of this team, fundamentals and focus.

[LeatherPants]

No to Sonny. You left, stay gone.

He didn’t leave, he signed a club friendly contract and then was traded away.

He was what the club needed this year, and he’d what they need in 2025

He’s got a no trade clause in his current deal, so that’s going to be a roadblock.

[Dave C]

Not the type of player we need when you factor in the cost and age. We have enough pitchers who spend a third of the season injured. If we're spending that kind of money why not Martinez and trade the youth for a clubhouse leader who can hit and play a couple outfield positions?

[cumberlandreds]

No to Sonny. You left, stay gone.

AS LP said, Gray was traded. He did not leave on his own. And if he did what would it matter? There is free agency and who would want to stay in this organization?

[HokieRed]

Much rather have Max Fried. He'd be my number one target in the offseason.

[OldFashionedRed]

AS LP said, Gray was traded. He did not leave on his own. And if he did what would it matter? There is free agency and who would want to stay in this organization?

And if they didn't want to stay in the organization, why would you want them back? I think it does matter. I'm old school as everyone here knows, I miss having players who were LOYAL to organizations.

[15fan]

Much rather have Max Fried. He'd be my number one target in the offseason.

Fried is going back to southern CA. Just like Freddie Freeman a few years ago.

[LeatherPants]

And if they didn't want to stay in the organization, why would you want them back? I think it does matter. I'm old school as everyone here knows, I miss having players who were LOYAL to organizations.

Again, he didn’t leave as a free agent, he was traded away. He signed a discounted contract and the Reds traded him with two years left on that contract. If anyone wasn’t loyal, it was the Reds.

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Not the type of player we need when you factor in the cost and age. We have enough pitchers who spend a third of the season injured. If we're spending that kind of money why not Martinez and trade the youth for a clubhouse leader who can hit and play a couple outfield positions?

Over the last two seasons he’s 20th in the majors in IP.