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    Francona discussed accountability and getting the most out of every player, including a focus on correcting mistakes and avoiding those mistakes over and over. The 2024 team made the same mistakes ad-nauseum, at the plate, in the field and on the base paths. If Bell ever addressed them, it was not apparent on the field. The 2024 team was sloppy. If Tito can correct that and hold the players accountable, like he's been able to do in the past, it could make an impact with the current roster, especially for a team with a horrible record in games decided by 1-run.
    How do you do that exactly? Bench him? Release him? Send him to AAA? The reds didn’t have players to replace anyone with. The lineup was about 4 guys deep most days. For example, I’d have released Stewart Fairchild the 2nd time he forgot how many outs there were. Fairchild is nothing special, but everyone they would have replaced him with was a significant downgrade. If the talent isn’t there then none of that stuff matters.
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    How do you do that exactly? Bench him? Release him? Send him to AAA? The reds didn’t have players to replace anyone with. The lineup was about 4 guys deep most days. For example, I’d have released Stewart Fairchild the 2nd time he forgot how many outs there were. Fairchild is nothing special, but everyone they would have replaced him with was a significant downgrade. If the talent isn’t there then none of that stuff matters.
    That's a question asked and Francona said he's done a little bit of everything. I suspect, even if you bench a guy it doesn't mean forever. Sit him down. Send a message. This team was near the bottom in way too many categories for there to not be some sort of accountability. With the resume Tito has, I'm certain he's figured out a way to do it effectively. Clearly, he has. Motivation 101 is establishing expectations. Were those set with Bell? I don't know, but the result was stats near the bottom in many categories.

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    Re: Terry Francona is the Reds' new manager

    Quote Originally Posted by RedsBrick View Post
    Francona discussed accountability and getting the most out of every player, including a focus on correcting mistakes and avoiding those mistakes over and over. The 2024 team made the same mistakes ad-nauseum, at the plate, in the field and on the base paths. If Bell ever addressed them, it was not apparent on the field. The 2024 team was sloppy. If Tito can correct that and hold the players accountable, like he's been able to do in the past, it could make an impact with the current roster, especially for a team with a horrible record in games decided by 1-run.
    Francona is going to address mistakes basically the same way as Bell - bring it up directly with the player, review film, drill on how to correct it if it's a mechanical flaw.
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    So if he’s the same Bell then what’s he hired for.

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    Francona is going to address mistakes basically the same way as Bell - bring it up directly with the player, review film, drill on how to correct it if it's a mechanical flaw.
    But... with a touch of scooter riding zen magic that we have never seen before

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    Francona is going to address mistakes basically the same way as Bell - bring it up directly with the player, review film, drill on how to correct it if it's a mechanical flaw.
    He's gonna send 9 players out on the field too, just like Bell.

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    Francona is going to address mistakes basically the same way as Bell - bring it up directly with the player, review film, drill on how to correct it if it's a mechanical flaw.
    You mean there will be no public floggings?

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    That's a question asked and Francona said he's done a little bit of everything. I suspect, even if you bench a guy it doesn't mean forever. Sit him down. Send a message. This team was near the bottom in way too many categories for there to not be some sort of accountability. With the resume Tito has, I'm certain he's figured out a way to do it effectively. Clearly, he has. Motivation 101 is establishing expectations. Were those set with Bell? I don't know, but the result was stats near the bottom in many categories.
    All the benchings, drills and discussions aren’t going to make solid regulars out of spare parts and fringe role players. That was most of the roster this year. Players who regularly play bad is usually because they aren’t very good players. If guys don’t have the basic understanding of how to play that most 8 year old little leaguers do, holding them accountable isn’t the answer. The answer is different players.

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    So if he’s the same Bell then what’s he hired for.
    Marketing, like every other Manager change has been for the last 30 years.
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    [QUOTE=mth123;4773008]All the benchings, drills and discussions aren’t going to make solid regulars out of spare parts and fringe role players. That was most of the roster this year. Players who regularly play bad is usually because they aren’t very good players. If guys don’t have the basic understanding of how to play that most 8 year old little leaguers do, holding them accountable isn’t the answer. The answer is different players.

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    Well, I guess we’ll see and just be miserable until then. Probably shouldn’t even field a team because improvement is simply impossible.

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    Cincinnati Reds spent on championship manager Terry Francona; will they spend on players?
    The Cincinnati Reds landed the biggest-star manager available in Terry Francona in barely a week flat after firing David Bell with a week left in the regular season.

    They got their championship manager. Will he get a championship roster?

    Given the Reds’ already budget-conscious history and significant uncertainty surrounding broadcast revenues, that first part of the equation might have been the easy part.

    But the question isn’t so much about whether Francona can get more out of less now that he starts the fourth chapter of his managing career.

    It’s about how committed the highest levels of the organization are to giving team president Nick Krall what he needs to maneuver at least modestly enough this winter to improve a roster that needs to backfill some pitching and whose lineup could use at least one thumper – or short of that, maybe two or three above-average fielders to improve one of the worst fielding teams in the majors.

    When asked whether hiring a high-profile manager like Francona puts pressure on the organization to put more resources into the roster, CEO Phil Castellini would say only: “Every resource we have we put on the field. Period.”

    Not the most encouraging answer for fans who, for now, are being asked to respond to the Francona excitement and energy at the box office before knowing what, if any, big roster improvements are coming.
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    Re: Terry Francona is the Reds' new manager

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Madden View Post
    Cincinnati Reds spent on championship manager Terry Francona; will they spend on players?
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    Of course, the answer in any fan's head is, "yes". It certainly pushes the likeliness above the 50% chance with his hiring. It was the first thing I thought of, and I assume that I wasn't alone. Everyone knows they aren't going to become the Padres, but I certainly have hope that it upped their payroll by 10-15% more than I thought it would be had they just kept Bell around or went in-house with Pat Kelly or someone else. I still think that they're going to try to find that 10-15% through a media deal this Fall/Winter. Elly/Greene/Francona is a good marketing start so far.
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    All the benchings, drills and discussions aren’t going to make solid regulars out of spare parts and fringe role players. That was most of the roster this year. Players who regularly play bad is usually because they aren’t very good players. If guys don’t have the basic understanding of how to play that most 8 year old little leaguers do, holding them accountable isn’t the answer. The answer is different players.

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    Well, I guess we’ll see and just be miserable until then. Probably shouldn’t even field a team because improvement is simply impossible.
    Improvement is always possible by getting better players. I don't expect a 30 year old back-up player who forgot how many outs there were 3 times this year to get better because he got benched for a game or two.

    One time should be all he gets. After the second one, nobody should want that guy on their team. He was the Reds regular CF for about half the season. Holding him accountable isn't going to change anything. Maybe it could do some good with Marte. I seriously doubt that it will help Benson or CES to be able to tell the difference between a fastball and a breaking ball when they are in the batter's box. It's not going to make guys like Candy, India and Steer better defensive players. It's not going to make Freidl, McLain or Fraley healthy. It's not going to keep Lodolo from missing 10+ starts or teach Abbott how to improve his K/BB ratio or keep the ball in the park. These are the Reds better players. It's certainly not going to make Martini, Rios, Hurtubise and a host of other guys solid big leaguers.

    They need better players who don't have fatal flaws. Until they get that, it doesn't matter who the Manager is.
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