Classic Era HOF Nominations

[Cyclone792]

Steve Garvey was a very good player, but 38.0 WAR is quite low for a first baseman HOF candidate, lower than the following first basemen who have been HOF eligible and have not yet been inducted: John Olerud, Jason Giambi, Will Clark, Mark Texeira, Norm Cash, Dolph Camilli, Don Mattingly, Mark Grace, Bill White, Boog Powell and George Scott.

Steve Garvey has to be one of the most overrated players in the last 50 years because I've lost count over the last two decades how often I see folks advocating for him to make the Hall (to be fair, I haven't seen anyone here do that). Must be a Dodger thing, I'm guessing.

Nevertheless, I'm with you, RB. Garvey was a good ballplayer, but he's quite a bit short of the Hall in my book.

[Cyclone792]

Going down the list:

I'm in favor of Tiant and Boyer making the Hall. Tiant is one of the better SP not in the Hall and he was better than a sizeable group of guys who are in the Hall. Interestingly, one of the non-HOFers ahead of Tiant on the SP JAWS list is Wes Ferrell. I've come around recently to believing that Wes Ferrell is probably a Hall of Famer too, especially given his unique skillset that he's one of the greatest hitting pitchers the game has ever seen.

Boyer is one of the best third baseman not in the Hall, and the Hall is very thin at the hot corner. He was a complete player too, good hitter and very good with the glove.

Dick Allen ... I could go either way. Tremendous hitter with great peak value, but his career was rather short. He was also an absolute butcher in the field. He's a guy where positional value (or lack thereof) speaks quite a bit. Had he stuck at third base with even average defense, he'd be a deserving lock. But moving to first - where he still wasn't good defensively - he's on the fence. Put him in, I'm fine with it. Leave him out, I'm probably fine with it too.

Tommy John ... I'm leaning no on John. His best argument - other than perhaps the way he changed the game medically - is that he's similar to Kaat who's now in. But I don't think Kaat belongs either. There's a number of guys I'd put in before either of them.

Dave Parker is a no. I appreciate his few years as a Reds, and 1985 was stellar. But he's not a Hall of Famer.

Garvey - no, just no.

I've got to defer on Donaldson and Harris as I just don't know enough about them to seriously weigh their consideration.

[M2]

Paul Oneill is MLBs version of Robert Horry

Nah. O'Neill was a critical player on an all-time great team, going .303/.377/.492 with the Yankees and knocking in 100 a year. He was core for that team, a driving force behind their success. He didn't just have a some big moments, he was their #3 hitter throughout that run.

[Kingspoint]

Nah. O'Neill was a critical player on an all-time great team, going .303/.377/.492 with the Yankees and knocking in 100 a year. He was core for that team, a driving force behind their success. He didn't just have a some big moments, he was their #3 hitter throughout that run.

https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/06/10/y...ll-trade-1992/

A capable fielder and devastating attacker of the baseball, O’Neill’s “jump” happened almost immediately. In 1993, O’Neill hit .311 with 20 home runs and 75 RBI. The next season, O’Neill fulfilled potential that not even he could’ve been sure was there, hitting a ridiculous .359 and reaching base 46% of the time in a 21-homer season across just 103 games. By the time MLB action resumed in 1995, O’Neill was clearly entrenched as the veteran linchpin and attitude driver of New York’s next dynasty.

[Ron Madden]

Classic Era HOF Voting Committee

COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. (AP) — Hall of Fame players Paul Molitor, Eddie Murray, Tony Pérez, Lee Smith and Ozzie Smith are among 16 members of the classic era committee that will consider an eight-man Hall ballot that includes Dick Allen, Dave Parker and Luis Tiant.

Retired manager Joe Torre, also elected to the Hall, is on the committee that convenes Sunday at the winter meetings in Dallas. He will be joined by executives Sandy Alderson, Terry McGuirk, Dayton Moore, Arte Moreno and Brian Sabean; plus media members/historians Bob Elliott, Leslie Heaphy, Steve Hirdt, Dick Kaegel and Larry Lester.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...d=BingNewsVerp

[RiverfrontRed]

Dave Parker has my vote! Loved that guy as a player and his numbers merit inclusion.

[westofyou]

Vada Pinson should be there.

I think Vada is in the all of very good, he did not finish elite

These four all wrapped their careers up in the 70's, three of them are in the HOF, because they still dominated as they were leaving the game

Player		         From	To	G	PA	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+
Ron Santo		1969	1974	867	3553	.271	.360	.442	.802	115
Vada Pinson		1969	1975	904	3553	.265	.301	.390	.691	94
Harmon Killebrew	1969	1975	902	3571	.247	.378	.468	.846	136
Frank Robinson		1969	1976	892	3583	.275	.382	.493	.875	149

[CySeymour]

I'd lean towards Dick Allen. His WAR per 162 games it twice Parkers. The one nagative is Allen's career was a bit short, but I think the years he did put in were elite.

[TRF]

I'd really like two see to Braves get in, Murphy and Andruw Jones. I really struggle with the mindset that Jones is not in the Hall because.... reasons I guess?

[kheidg-]

Can someone tell me how they come up with these nominations? From the list below, I would love to see the Cobra make it. Any chance Davey Concepcion gets a nomination down the road? The comments below are not mine.


⚾Steve Garvey: An iron man with a National League record of 1,207 consecutive games at first base, batting .294 with 272 homers, and four Gold Gloves to his name.
⚾Tommy John: A lefty with a renowned career-saving elbow surgery, 288-231 record, and 3.34 ERA.
⚾Dick Allen: An MVP in ’72, with a career .292 average, 351 home runs, and seven All-Star nods.
⚾Dave Parker: A slugger with a .290 average, 339 homers, and two batting titles.
⚾Ken Boyer: A key player in the Cardinals’ 1964 World Series win, boasting an 11-time All-Star career.
⚾Luis Tiant: Known for his iconic windup and Fu Manchu, Tiant’s career includes 229 wins and leading the AL in ERA twice.
⚾John Donaldson: A Negro Leagues pioneer who reshaped the game with his multi-faceted roles over 30+ years.
⚾Vic Harris: A Negro Leagues standout and seven-time pennant-winning manager with a .303 batting average.

Don't know enough about the last two, but I am sure one of them will get in.

From this list, if I'd vote for two it would be Dave Parker and Ken Boyer.

[Ron Madden]

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