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    Re: Another Day Another Loss

    Arroyo's pitch count by inning: 21, 13, 14, 17, 14, 32, 16

    Arroyo sat at 111 pitches after his high-stress 32-pitch 6th inning, and most of those 32 pitches were out of the stretch since runners were on base for the bulk of the inning. At that juncture in the game, Arroyo's workload was ideal, but nowhere near light enough to warrant him coming out for another inning.

    And then in the bottom of the 6th inning Narron sends Arroyo to the plate with two outs and a basestealing threat in Olmedo on first base. Of course, Olmedo steals second base and gets into scoring position, but Arroyo bats for himself, makes an out - like pitchers usually do when they swing the lumber - and Narron decides to run him out there again in the 7th inning.

    That's totally irresponsible managing on Jerry Narron's part.

    As I said earlier, there is no way in the world I'm running my pitcher back out to the mound for another inning when he's already thrown 111 pitches, especially with 32 of those pitches thrown in the previous inning. Heading into tonight, Arroyo had pitched to exactly two batters at a pitch count of 121+ pitches in his entire career, and the chances of him getting out of the 7th inning in few pitches is ... remote. It really wouldn't surprise me if Arroyo's arm was taxed tonight in the 7th inning further than it ever has been in his career.

    I hate to say it, but that's a Dusty Baker style of handling a pitching staff, and it's a good way to cause damage to a pitcher's arm.
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    Re: Narron Gets Creative: 6/13 Beers @ Reds Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    Better not. They have Thursday off and then a homestand against the White Sox on Friday.

    Narron's starting to go Bob Boone-ish with the constant tinkering. This whole lefty-righty Hatteburg 2nd/Aurilia 4th stuff is really reaching.
    Is there a site that can tell us how many different line ups Narron has put out this year?

    I would have to guess it is probably more than any other team.

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    Re: Narron Gets Creative: 6/13 Beers @ Reds Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CTA513
    Is there a site that can tell us how many different line ups Narron has put out this year?

    I would have to guess it is probably more than any other team.
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    Re: Narron Gets Creative: 6/13 Beers @ Reds Game Thread

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    Games Played?
    You'd almost need a Games Started. Pinch hitters count in the "Games Played".

    I'm afraid you'd have to dig up all the box scores and do a spreadsheet. Or e-mail Lancaster at the Post. He might know.
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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    I wish the Reds had a set lineup too....but name me a team that has had a set lineup more than 50% of the time this year.

    Might take a while...but i doubt you would find one.

    Injuries...platooning...does away with all of that.

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    Re: Narron Gets Creative: 6/13 Beers @ Reds Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Heath
    You'd almost need a Games Started. Pinch hitters count in the "Games Played".

    I'm afraid you'd have to dig up all the box scores and do a spreadsheet. Or e-mail Lancaster at the Post. He might know.
    really I was making the joke that just the number of total Reds games would equal the number of lineups. I'm sure it's not that far off.
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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger
    I wish the Reds had a set lineup too....but name me a team that has had a set lineup more than 50% of the time this year.

    Might take a while...but i doubt you would find one.

    Injuries...platooning...does away with all of that.
    Not 50%...I bet the leading lineup is about 7%.

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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Cloninger
    I wish the Reds had a set lineup too....but name me a team that has had a set lineup more than 50% of the time this year.

    Might take a while...but i doubt you would find one.

    Injuries...platooning...does away with all of that.
    White Sox come to mind.

    Angels and Indians don't mess around as much.

    But, you are right, TC - it's low, i'm sure.
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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    I know what you guys are getting at.

    It is mainly Narron's propensity to bat RA 4th.....or RA always higher than Dunn or Kearns. I do not like it either....mainly beacuse of the way Kearns has been hitting.

    But ....does it really matter who would have come up in the 9th. RA....Kearns...Dunn.... even Griffey, and he is the most reliable (IMO) late inning "clutch" hitter this team has. They are all reverting back to the pre-8 game winning streak form. Hitting is once again off. Lopez looks terrible.

    He seems to come off like he does not care or is lazy...... almost George Hendrick like in demeanor. Hendrick did care though...was a real leader to most of his teammates in CLE and STL, from what i have read.
    Lopez just swings the bat very lazy or like he is tired.

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    Re: Narron Gets Creative: 6/13 Beers @ Reds Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by CTA513
    Is there a site that can tell us how many different line ups Narron has put out this year?

    I would have to guess it is probably more than any other team.
    At the end of the year the Bill James Stats Book has that info. FWIW for his career as a manager Narron averages 123 lineups per 162 games. He like Boone played for Gene Mauch, hence his love of matchups and the mobility factor of bench players.

    I really don't care much if there is a set lineup, I prefer a lineup that doesn't lean on gut feelings and lately that's what I see in Narrons lineups.

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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    MOST FREQUENT LINEUP
    Ave HR RBI
    Freel 2B .274 4 13
    Lopez SS .281 6 24
    Griffey CF .279 11 35
    Aurilia 1B .253 7 24
    Dunn LF .235 21 38
    Encarn. 3B .270 6 36
    Kearns RF .274 12 38
    Ross C .347 9 22

    57 different lineups used this season.
    Most frequent lineup used in 3 games.

    http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/depth-chart/CIN

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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    Quote Originally Posted by BCubb2003
    MOST FREQUENT LINEUP
    Ave HR RBI
    Freel 2B .274 4 13
    Lopez SS .281 6 24
    Griffey CF .279 11 35
    Aurilia 1B .253 7 24
    Dunn LF .235 21 38
    Encarn. 3B .270 6 36
    Kearns RF .274 12 38
    Ross C .347 9 22

    57 different lineups used this season.
    Most frequent lineup used in 3 games.

    http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/depth-chart/CIN
    3 games???? The most we have used the same lineup is 3 games???

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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    Not shocked who is 4th
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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    Haven't won a game since that huge loss last Friday night vs the Cubs, a game that should have been one. I knew that loss was more than just a loss.
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    Re: 6/13/06 Game Thread vs. Brewers

    So...EE back yet?

    And, is the cult of Aurilia fading again? Perhaps we can get some consensus on the importance of EE's skill set in the line-up, even as against a cagey vet?


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