Of course there are, but the difference over 2 RPG. The offense is better with him then without him.Originally Posted by Ltlabner
Of course there are, but the difference over 2 RPG. The offense is better with him then without him.
Ya, ok that was all EE. Plays one game and basically allows the a run on an error and we lost in extra innings. YOu are basically saying Freel suck and Aurlia - at least not a big fall off. Come on. Better defense and probably better offense by both.
8-16 with EE on the DL. 8-16. Yeah he sucks.
Last edited by Reds1; 07-08-2006 at 06:26 PM.
RPG aren't just 1 guy. BP had something to do with those gaudy numbers. This team needs the defense and I just dont' think you get a big falloff between freel or aurilia at 3B over EE. Play EE 2-3 times a week, but these two games with our top 2 pitchers we SHOULDN"T need the offense and we do need the defense behind all our pitchers. I agree with management on this one.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never said either of them suck. Freel and Rich are 2 of the better utility players in baseball today. Neither should play over Edwin though.
If you truly believe Freel and Rich are better offense players then Edwin, then I am not going to argue with you. Not only is Edwin better offensively, but he is most likely going to keep improving. He is nowhere near his peak.
Don't base your opinon's on players off of 1 play.
Please tell me you don't truely believe Rich is better then Edwin.
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...27&compare.y=3
Not to mention Rich has the range of an egg.
Freel is a utility player, and a very good one at that.
Dude. Read your 1st post reply. YOu put words in my mouth saying EE sucks. Did I say that. NO. Check it out. That's not the point here. I want to win. Not do what's best for EE and his career. He'll be ok, but we need to win now. I"m not playing for next year.
Also, 1 play. EE would probably have the most errors in the league if he started every game. He's defense does Suck and I did say that. I don't think his offense if measurably better then either freel or aurilia.
Either Freel or Aurilia at 3B makes me happy instead of EE. I want to win the last 2 games of the 1st half.
You want to win?
Hmmmm
Before Edwin went on the DL:
Record during the 24 games:
8-16
Record with Edwin:
37-26
Again he didn't play in all of thise wins, nor all of those losses, but we play 11 over with him on the roster (and he played in most game) and 8 under without him.
You win with Edwin.
You win with EE when the pitching is good.
You win with Bozo the Clown when the pitching is good.
I'll give you that, but after the injury he's clearly not back 100 percent. HIs AAA stats not great. Aurila is doing very well. We win more when they find a way to get him in there. He also makes all the throws. EE's offense right now IMO won't be enough to make up for his defense. Again, my opinion, but I feel that way. With the ace on the mound we don't need free outs. I have to run. thanks for banter.
EE hit .350 in his extended stay at AAA. Yeah, that's awful.
I think he had 1 good game that picked him up. Seems like all the box scores I looked at he didn't do well. Fine, we disagree. But this thing about record when he's playing is bogus. 1 guy normally doesn't matter. I remember times when we lost when griffey played and then we won for a brief time with him out and the media ran with it. Fact is pitching is much worse then it was earlier in the year. Aka White, Hammonds DFA and we had to get go a new closer because Coffey wasn't doing well. Pen is worst in the league. When EE played they were doing much better. Hammonds had 14 straight app. with no runs I believe.
OFf to go see superman. Go REds
Screw it, I am going to go through all the games and find out what are record in games Edwin starts are.
4/3: L
4/5: W
4/7: W
4/8: W
4/9: L
4/11: W
4/12: L
4/14: W
4/15: L
4/16: L
4/17: W
4/18: L
4/19: W
4/20: W
4/22: L
4/23: W
4/24: W
4/25: W
4/26: W
4/29: W
4/30: L
5/1: W
5/2: W
5/3: L
5/4: W
5/5: L
5/6: L
5/7: W
5/9: L
5/10: W
5/11: W
5/12: L
5/13: L
5/14: L
5/16: L
5/17: L
5/18: W
5/20: L
5/21: L
5/22: W
5/23: W
5/24: L
5/26: L
5/28: W
5/30: L
5/31: W
6/2: W
6/3: W
6/4: W
6/5: W
6/6: W
7/6: L
W- 30
L-23
30-23 when Edwin starts
Which means:
15-19 when he doesn't start
So we average of 2 more runs per game with Edwin then without, we play 7 over when he starts, and 4 under when he doesn't.
You tell me what to make of this
Last edited by reds44; 07-08-2006 at 06:59 PM.
It doesn't bother me that Reds fans fail to see Encarnacion's incredible potential and value to this ballclub now and down the line. Quite frankly, fans in this town often can't distinguish their ass from their elbow (Exhibit A: Dunn).
What bothers me is that our "braintrust" apparently buys into this line of crap. Edwin is a potential All-Star, maybe an outside shot at an MVP somewhere along the line, and the guys that run the ballclub seem bent on ruining him.
Frankly, I don't think Encarnacion's presence or absence makes the Reds win or lose.
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