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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Outside of Bailey, I don't see many flamethrowers on the Reds' horizon.

    Forgive my skepticism of the AAA lifer Salmon.
    I want hard throwers too, but Lidge is only the answer if the question happens to be "What pitcher would make the best accelerant for the flammable Reds bullpen?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
    About fixing this team's pitching problems the Reds simply can't brook timidity.
    Then I suggest staying away from the single most timid pitcher in baseball.
    Last edited by M2; 04-18-2007 at 10:25 PM.
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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by M2 View Post
    I want hard throwers too, but Lidge is only the answer if the question happens to be "What pitcher would make the best accelerant for the flammable Reds bullpen?"
    Sure he'd be a risk, but a skill set is what every Reds' pitcher besides Harang and Arroyo lacks.

    There are other hardthrowers of course than Lidge, but none of them exist within the Reds' system. Anywhere.

    Like I said in the offseason: this team will sink or swim with its pitching. Defense, offense...ancillary concerns. Right now they're driving their sloop into the teeth of a hurricane with this pitching staff.
    Last edited by Falls City Beer; 04-18-2007 at 10:27 PM.
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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Opponents have scored 22 runs against the Reds in the last three games.
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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    santos pitches a perfect 7th but I guess that was not good enough to continue

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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Not necessarily. You can be unlucky.
    Using that logic....aw, hell..forget it. You're just the ultimate contrarian. No point in taking this any further.
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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    There isn't a soul in the Reds' bullpen I wouldn't trade straight-up for Lidge.
    Cormier I would... Milton I would... otherwise nope no thanks.

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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    You don't have an ERA north of 5 without something working very, very badly either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Yeah. I don't buy it. You don't K 100 guys in 75 innings without something working very, very well.

    The complexion of the Reds' bullpen is a merry-go-round of the same soft-tossing crap from both sides of the plate. OBP nightmares.

    And forget about bringing in any of these bullpenners with runners on.
    Remind anyone of Mark Wohlers?

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    Re: 4-18-07 Astros visit Redlegs: No EE, Day 2

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    ERA's relatively meaningless, especially for a reliever. Lidge has a problem with the home run ball. That's a problem. But besides that he'd be an asset for the team.
    ERA for a reliever an be misleading. Lidge had 78 appearances last season. He had 4 really, really bad ones (1.2 IP, 14 ER).

    Take those away and he did this: 74g; 73.1 IP, ERA: 3.69, 32 Saves, 2 BS;

    Obvisouly, you can't take those away though. Basically Lidge's problem wasn't giving up the homer (that was a symptom). Lidge's problem was with command as evidenced by his spike in BB/9. He still Ks batters like he always had but he walked more and had more mistakes (which resulted in more homers).

    Command is something that can theorectically be fixed especially since he isnt experiencing loss of velocity etc that would indicate a more serious underlying reason for the command issues.

    This chicken hearted label, while sounding so intuitive, really is unfair. Basically if Lidge would've been a Red last season and performed exactly as he did with the Astros command problems and all, the Reds may have won the division by 8 games.
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