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Thread: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    I hae zero problem with off days. They are a neccessity. However, I'd rather seperate them instead of doing it at one time.

    That way Hopper can get both starts as a replacement instead of Ellison who I really don't want to watch play baseball. Hopper is starting to look pretty good to me.

    Anyways, I'm guessing Dontrelle Willis is the reason Mackanin is doing otherwise, so that when Dunn and Hamilton do play it's against righties. So it comes down to how badly you want Hamilton and Dunn and/or Hamilton getting the best match-ups.

    As bad as this line-up is, it probably does make sense since some days off were coming. Griffey generally seems to handle lefties a little better than the others, so he doesn't need the match-ups as much. It's not like the Reds have 1 quality bench option that you really need to get plenty of at-bats over Ellison like I was suggesting.


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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Trent has changed the lineup....Harang in, Belisle out.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt700wlw View Post
    Oh, and the guys who people pay to see, which includes Dunn and Hamilton, I would say...shouldn't sit AT HOME, barring extenuating circumstances
    Is Dunn being 0-10 with 5 K's vs. Willis consider to be extenuating?

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    I updated the original post with the correct lineups.

    I agree with flyer, Ellison is worthless at the plate.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BRM View Post
    I updated the original post with the correct lineups.

    I agree with flyer, Ellison is worthless at the plate.
    Well of course. Nobody is going to argue Ellison's worth.

    The off days are about Hamilton and Dunn. It has nothing to do about finding work for Ellison.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post

    Hopper is starting to look pretty good to me.

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    I told you you needed your eyes checked.

    You must have your "beer" goggles on.

    I'm wondering if there is some reason why Gonzalez can't play unless in an emergency. He's been back 2 days and hasn't seen the light of the field.

    It would seem obvious to put Keppinger in LF, and Gonzalez at SS.

    I'm assuming Gonzalez is not really available.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    It would seem obvious to put Keppinger in LF, and Gonzalez at SS.

    I'm assuming Gonzalez is not really available.
    I would prefer that over any lineup with Jason Ellison in it. Like you said though, Gonzalez must not be ready to start yet.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    I told you you needed your eyes checked.

    Only by comparison to Ellison. Put Otis Nixon next to Ellison, and even he looks like a viable option.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin Kearns View Post
    Only by comparison to Ellison. Put Otis Nixon next to Ellison, and even he looks like a viable option.
    Otis Nixon was a regular for most of his 16 years in the majors.

    He was a very good fielding CF, though I seem to remember a weak arm.

    His lifetime OBA was .343, and in his 6 peak years he was about.360OBA with about 55 steals and 15 CS.

    I'd suggest that Nixon was, nothwithstanding his .657 lifetime OPS, a viable major league player.

    As a leadoff hitter, OBA was way more important than SL%, and he filled a premium postion quite well defensively. He also stole quite a few bases.

    He's certainly head and shoulders above Hopper.

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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Otis Nixon was a regular for most of his 16 years in the majors.
    That type of career length is exceptionally impressive for a guy who always looked like he was about 70-years-old.
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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Marlins lineup

    Ramirez
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    Jacobs
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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    That type of career length is exceptionally impressive for a guy who always looked like he was about 70-years-old.
    His chin was terrifying.
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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone792 View Post
    That type of career length is exceptionally impressive for a guy who always looked like he was about 70-years-old.
    Does a guy named "Otis" ever have a chance to look young?


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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    Otis Nixon was a regular for most of his 16 years in the majors.

    He was a very good fielding CF, though I seem to remember a weak arm.

    His lifetime OBA was .343, and in his 6 peak years he was about.360OBA with about 55 steals and 15 CS.

    I'd suggest that Nixon was, nothwithstanding his .657 lifetime OPS, a viable major league player.

    As a leadoff hitter, OBA was way more important than SL%, and he filled a premium postion quite well defensively. He also stole quite a few bases.

    He's certainly head and shoulders above Hopper.

    Uhhh....

    I meant Otis Nixon Today. As in, throw the new criminal drunk version of Otis Nixon out there and he could compete with Ellison. That was the joke.
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    Re: 8/24/07 - Reds vs. Marlins - Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Always Red View Post
    Does a guy named "Otis" ever have a chance to look young?

    Probably as an infant


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