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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Dunn was two days late on that fastball.


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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Playadlc View Post
    Dunn was two days late on that fastball.
    He thought it was a base

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg View Post
    And if Dunn "reaches" to make sure he hits the bag in an awkward stride maybe he pulls a Jason Kendall and breaks his leg.

    The point is, that him missing the bag by a millimeter (if he even missed it) gave him no advantage to score in that instance. He would have scored anyway had he touched it.

    It just seems like it's a case of an umpire trying to be bigger than the game to make up for a shortcoming somewhere.

    A runner should be able to touch the base. If he doesn't touch it, he should be out. A runner doesn't have another runner bearing down on him trying to take him out like a middle infielder.

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    The game of inches has also "cost" the REDS two runs... Griffey's double and Valentin's double were both very close to being solo HRs. At least Javier still has a chance to score.

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Who's going to play 1st Base?
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Here you go, from the rule book...


    7.10
    Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when --
    (a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged;
    Rule 7.10(a) Comment: “Retouch,” in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.
    (b) With the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged.

    APPROVED RULING: (1) No runner may return to touch a missed base after a following runner has scored. (2) When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or one he has left after he has advanced to and touched a base beyond the missed base.
    Rule 7.10(b) Comment: PLAY. (a) Batter hits ball out of park or ground rule double and misses first base (ball is dead)—he may return to first base to correct his mistake before he touches second but if he touches second he may not return to first and if defensive team appeals he is declared out at first.
    PLAY. (b) Batter hits ball to shortstop who throws wild into stand (ball is dead)—batter-runner misses first base but is awarded second base on the overthrow. Even though the umpire has awarded the runner second base on the overthrow, the runner must touch first base before he proceeds to second base. These are appeal plays.
    (c) He overruns or overslides first base and fails to return to the base immediately, and he or the base is tagged;
    (d) He fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to that base, and home base is tagged.
    Any appeal under this rule must be made before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play. If the violation occurs during a play which ends a half-inning, the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field.
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Who's going to play 1st Base?
    Dunn

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Look this is exhausting. If the inning ends in a force out then NO runs score in any instance? Is that the rule?
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PuffyPig View Post
    A runner should be able to touch the base. If he doesn't touch it, he should be out. A runner doesn't have another runner bearing down on him trying to take him out like a middle infielder.
    Exactly right. An umpire gets paid to do his job. Asking an umpire to not make a correct call because it may not have effected a certain play is simply wrong.

    If the Reds lose this game by a run, they have no one to blame but themselves.

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Who's going to play 1st Base?
    Javier move to first, Ross to catch?
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    Here you go, from the rule book...


    7.10
    Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when --
    (a) After a fly ball is caught, he fails to retouch his original base before he or his original base is tagged;
    Rule 7.10(a) Comment: “Retouch,” in this rule, means to tag up and start from a contact with the base after the ball is caught. A runner is not permitted to take a flying start from a position in back of his base.
    (b) With the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged.
    APPROVED RULING: (1) No runner may return to touch a missed base after a following runner has scored. (2) When the ball is dead, no runner may return to touch a missed base or one he has left after he has advanced to and touched a base beyond the missed base.
    Rule 7.10(b) Comment: PLAY. (a) Batter hits ball out of park or ground rule double and misses first base (ball is dead)—he may return to first base to correct his mistake before he touches second but if he touches second he may not return to first and if defensive team appeals he is declared out at first.
    PLAY. (b) Batter hits ball to shortstop who throws wild into stand (ball is dead)—batter-runner misses first base but is awarded second base on the overthrow. Even though the umpire has awarded the runner second base on the overthrow, the runner must touch first base before he proceeds to second base. These are appeal plays.
    (c) He overruns or overslides first base and fails to return to the base immediately, and he or the base is tagged;
    (d) He fails to touch home base and makes no attempt to return to that base, and home base is tagged.
    Any appeal under this rule must be made before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play. If the violation occurs during a play which ends a half-inning, the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field.
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    CRAZY baserunning tonight!
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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric_Davis View Post
    Who's going to play 1st Base?
    I'd imagine Keppinger will. Looking it up he played 4 games there with the Royals last year, don't know if he spent any time there in Louisville this year. It's not much, but at least he's got a little experience there.

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    The good... single by Edwin ties it as Javier scores.
    The bad... Edwin out at 2nd on the cutoff from the outfield.

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    Re: 8/30/07 - Reds vs Pirates Game Thread

    Good job, EE.

    The Reds have shown some nice resiliency here tonight.


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