as close as that ump was demonstrating the miss to Berry I'm pretty certain the ump really doesn't know if he missed or not.Originally Posted by oneupper
as close as that ump was demonstrating the miss to Berry I'm pretty certain the ump really doesn't know if he missed or not.
He is not forced out until the ball arrives at the base... again, Dunn could have run by third, stopped, and returned to third base, and he would have been safe. He is not out when he passes the base, but only when the ball arrives there, which was on the appeal, way after Griffey scored. The appeal is A BALL IN PLAY. BTW are the Reds protesting this game?
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill
Watching the replay, it's hard to imagine Dunn not touching third.
Once he crossed homeplate, he cannot try to returned to a base other than homeplate.
great!
2-2 game... Wait did Phillips miss home???
You're wrong. It's a force at 3rd and a runner can not score if the final out of an inning is a force or a fly out.
School's out. What did you expect?
Reds should be up one now.
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill
2 (4) -2 tie!!
And the Reds pull away 4-2... errr oops!
I could be off base, but maybe looking at it this way will help:
Say the Reds have a man on first and third, two outs.
The man on third tries to steal home - and he gets a huge jump. But, the batter hits the ball to short. The shortstop throws to second for the force out - but the man on third is practically in the dugout. That does not matter, though - the force out has ended the inning. It does not matter how far ahead of the last out that runner scored - that force out ended the inning, taking away any chance at all of that run counting.
A totally different play from what we saw - but the play we saw used the same very basic rules. The force out of Dunn at third cleared away any chance of Griffey's run counting. Unfortunately, a good call by the ump.
I know RBA. My point is the GRIFFEYS run counts, not Dunns.
"Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill
Bases loaded, 0 outs and Morris has just thrown four straight balls, so Valentin swings at the first pitch which was inside and GIDP. Terrible hitting. If you are going to swing at the first pitch it better be somethign you can hit.
Perhaps an investigation is in order
We'll go down in history as the first society that wouldn't save itself because it wasn't cost effective ~ Kurt Vonnegut
Edwin keeps hitting... and this time it counts!
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