I'll leave the rest for somebody else, but I just wanted to point out that if team's paid for tools, DeWayne Wise would be making millions and Alex Ochoa would be able to buy a small island. Teams pay for production, something which Adam Dunn provides more of than any other Red.Originally Posted by red-in-la
Do the Reds pay 15-20 million a year for one tool?.....insane, unless that tool is winning 20 games (as a starting pitcher silly) a year.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
True and false. Adam Dunn isn't the most productive player on the Reds. He may be the most productive hitter, but not the most productive player.
No more than Kingman provided, apparently.
Similar batters through age 27, per Baseball Reference.
Darryl Strawberry
Jose Canseco
Reggie Jackson
Harmon Killebrew
Rocky Colavito
Roger Maris
Tom Brunansky
Barry Bonds
Troy Glaus
Jeff Burroughs
Fair enough. The point stands. The method of production is less important than the amount of production itself. A run created by a HR and two strikeouts is no less valuable than one created by a double, a single, and a sacrifice bunt.
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
You're spouting gibberish RMR.
Assuming that Griffey won't be back next year, the Reds have black holes to fill at CF and C. Hairston may not be here and is highly unlikely to stay away from a pumpkin turn if he is. Keppinger might be able to keep SS from being an offensive vaccuum, but he gives away a lot of hits on defense due to lack of range.
Get those three positions around league average AND add improvements from Votto and Bruce AND keep Dunn around, then you have an offense.
my own subjective similar batters are Kingman and Deer ... and it is much more accurate.
Code:T1 Richie Sexson 5 T1 Adam Dunn 5 T3 Jim Thome 3 T3 Mike Cameron 3 T3 Jose Hernandez 3 T3 Brad Wilkerson 3 T3 Pat Burrell 3 T8 Ryan Howard 2 T8 Sammy Sosa 2 T8 Alfonso Soriano 2 T8 Troy Glaus 2 T8 Grady Sizemore 2 T8 Jim Edmonds 2 T14 Craig Wilson 1 T14 Geoff Jenkins 1 T14 Jhonny Peralta 1 T14 Preston Wilson 1 T14 Jorge Posada 1 T14 Brandon Inge 1 T14 Derrek Lee 1 T14 Jason Bay 1 T14 Russell Branyan 1 T14 Jeromy Burnitz 1 T14 Corey Patterson 1 T14 Ben Grieve 1 T14 Jack Cust 1 T14 Nick Swisher 1 T14 Mo Vaughn 1 T14 Curtis Granderson 1 T14 Dan Uggla 1 T14 Bill Hall 1 T14 B.J. Upton 1 T14 Lee Stevens 1 T14 Mark Bellhorn 1 ALL LEAGUES & TEAMS 1975-1983 ALL POSITIONS STRIKEOUTS >= 150 T1 Gorman Thomas 2 T1 Dave Kingman 2 T3 Jeff Burroughs 1 T3 Mike Schmidt 1 T3 Ron Kittle 1 T3 Greg Luzinski 1 T3 Butch Hobson 1 T3 Gary Alexander 1 T3 Reggie Jackson 1
Burrell and Glaus seem to be the best comps, IMO.
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Mark Bellhorn struck out 150 times in a season?! How did he even get 150 AB's?!
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K, I'll bite....
If Adam Dunn isn't the Reds' most productive player, then please name said unicorn.
Your predictable answer will probably be Brandon Phillips. Any other answer will be enough comedy to get me through the weekend...
Agreed on Burrell.
He's the RHB version of Adam Dunn.
IMO, Dunn is more productive than Glaus.
177 Ks. He got that many PA by putting together a season with the following line for the 2004 Red Sox: .264/.373/.444Mark Bellhorn struck out 150 times in a season?! How did he even get 150 AB's?!
He had 144 Ks (in many fewer PA) in 2002 for the Cubs when he had an even better year: .258/.374/.512
He hit .264/.373/.444 in 620 PAs, with 17 HRs, 37 2Bs, 93 Rs, 88 BBs, 82 RBI, and 177 Ks, batting 2nd for the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox. Oh, and with 4.15 P/PA and only 8 GIDP, and 3 HUGE postseason HRs.Mark Bellhorn struck out 150 times in a season?! How did he even get 150 AB's?!
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