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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Scoring more runs isn't better?
    IF they scored more runs, it wouldn't be enough to make a difference. I can't see how Bruce's .630sish OPS would have made this team materially better by giving him more at bats.


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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Ugh. Bill Bray = confusing. His numbers are good, but he can get hit soooo hard (regardless of what the stat freaks say).
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by WVRedsFan View Post
    Ugh. Bill Bray = confusing. His numbers are good, but he can get hit soooo hared (regardless of what the stat freaks say).
    His numbers are *deceiving.*
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Compared to their production for the past 2 months. Bruce is certinally struggling, but to say he was "pulling a Patterson" is nowhere near accurate. You can keep saying it over and over but it bears no resemblence to reality.
    I didn't say "pulling a Patterson from the last 2 months". I said "pulling a Patterson". Check out what Corey has done over his career. He has played longer than June and July of 2008.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    His numbers are *deceiving.*
    No, he is going to make everything alright.

    Hopefully.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    I'm not at all persuaded yet that Bray is part of this team's future. I watched him pitch Dukes and Belliard. I just don't see much except a fastball without much movement he tries to locate, not terribly well. Sorry to say it.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by nate View Post
    Scoring more runs isn't better?
    No kidding.

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    Month  AB   BA  OPS  SLG  OPS
    April  78 .308 .341 .538 .879 
    May    89 .281 .385 .528 .913
    That's Votto's numbers from April and May.

    Sure woulda hated to have more at bats like that at the begining of the season. No way it would have helped the offense. Nope.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by HokieRed View Post
    I'm not at all persuaded yet that Bray is part of this team's future. I watched him pitch Dukes and Belliard. I just don't see much except a fastball without much movement he tries to locate, not terribly well. Sorry to say it.
    He's 25, battled injuries, and yet has a very good ERA and K rate for each of the first three months. He's a setup man, and the best the Reds have seen in years.
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Former Red Charlie Manning? For heaven's sake, Bowden has got some kind of fascination. I wonder if he has a lockerroom video feed in his office.
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    I didn't say "pulling a Patterson from the last 2 months". I said "pulling a Patterson".
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    In fact, I am sure that Baker would have heard it from the board if he hit Bruce 3rd while he was pulling a Patterson for 2 straight months.
    Never let details get in the way of a good rant.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by VR View Post
    He's 25, battled injuries, and yet has a very good ERA and K rate for each of the first three months. He's a setup man, and the best the Reds have seen in years.
    Burton is the best setup man in years. Bray is a guarantee to let runners on base score.
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by edabbs44 View Post
    IF they scored more runs, it wouldn't be enough to make a difference. I can't see how Bruce's .630sish OPS would have made this team materially better by giving him more at bats.
    Bruce's OPS on the year is .736.

    Patterson's OPS requires characters that aren't available on this laptop.

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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
    Burton is the best setup man in years. Bray is a guarantee to let runners on base score.
    at what rate?


    Good problem to have, figuring out which young middle reliever is best for the Reds.
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

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    at what rate?


    Good problem to have, figuring out which young middle reliever is best for the Reds.
    Um, no. Burton is on a different level than Bray is. There is nothing to figure out. There's nothing wrong with having Bill Bray in your bullpen, though.
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    Re: Reds vs Nat 8/2/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Ltlabner View Post
    Never let details get in the way of a good rant.
    Read it again.


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