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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    ee better go deep, because then it's pretty much three easy outs in a row...


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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Nice 7th by Cueto. After 7; Reds 0 , Cubs 1.

    Harden 94 pitches, 62 strikes
    Cueto 111 pitches, 67 strikes

    The Cubs are bringing in Marmol for the 8th. They won't push their guy over 100 pitches.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Nice, quick inning from Cueto. 7 IP, 1 ER, 110 pitches. Let's hope Dusty pulls him because the Reds need a PH. Gonna be a tough row to hoe against Marmol and Wood.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Thank goodness Johnny only threw 11 pitches that inning. I still don't like the decision to bring him back out when this team is clearly going no where.

    Cueto's final line: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 6 K

    That one run should have never happened.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by reds44 View Post
    What an outing be Johnny. Get that man some runs.
    That was easy.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    Thank goodness Johnny only threw 11 pitches that inning. I still don't like the decision to bring him back out when this team is clearly going no where.

    Cueto's final line: 7 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 6 K

    That one run should have never happened.

    It's not meaningless to Cueto. It's a 1 - 0 game.

    He pitched a hell of a game tonight.

    He was still on form and still hitting 96 on the gun in the 7th.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    This is looking like it will be the second time this year Cueto left a game 1-0 and got the loss. The other was at Yankee Stadium.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Why the hell is Corey Patterson still on this team?

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Good inning by Cueto and he still has stuff.

    I know, I know, complete games (read multiple for the season) are remnants of the Jerasic Age but ask Warren Spahn, Robin Roberts or Bob Gibson about being yanked after 100 pitches. First thing is that the guy that comes out to remove them based upon pitch count might get clocked so hard that, in future games, he couldn't count. Ummm, by the way are all three of those guys still alive? :

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by RFS62 View Post
    It's not meaningless to Cueto. It's a 1 - 0 game.

    He pitched a hell of a game tonight.

    He was still on form and still hitting 96 on the gun in the 7th.
    If the Reds were still in the playoff race I would have no problem sending back out there but with the Reds 15 games below .500 I'd like to see Dusty take it easy with the kids.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by remdog View Post
    Good inning by Cueto and he still has stuff.

    I know, I know, complete games (read multiple for the season) are remnants of the Jerasic Age but ask Warren Spahn, Robin Roberts or Bob Gibson about being yanked after 100 pitches. First thing is that the guy that comes out to remove them based upon pitch count might get clocked so hard that, in future games, he couldn't count. Ummm, by the way are all three of those guys still alive? :

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    If the Reds were still in the playoff race I would have no problem sending back out there but with the Reds 15 games below .500 I'd like to see Dusty take it easy with the kids.
    RFS makes a good point that is often overlooked in our desire to coddle pitchers -- it's still a big game to Cueto.

    Sold out crowd at Wrigley, playoff atmosphere. He wants to win the game, I'm sure.

    There's a balance to be struck, but I like giving kids a chance to throw the big inning every now and then. It helps prepare him for some future date in some future season where keeping the team in a 1 run game might be of some import.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine View Post
    If the Reds were still in the playoff race I would have no problem sending back out there but with the Reds 15 games below .500 I'd like to see Dusty take it easy with the kids.

    One of the problems I have with the 100 pitch limit is it's just an arbitrary number. If you tell a kid he's done after 100 pitches, that's what they train for... that's what gets in their heads.

    I'd rather see Cueto and Volquez learn how to go deep. There's a lot more to pitcher abuse than just that number.
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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    Quote Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor View Post
    ...I like giving kids a chance to throw the big inning every now and then. It helps prepare him for some future date in some future season where keeping the team in a 1 run game might be of some import.
    Excellent point.

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    Re: Reds vs Cubs 8/19/08

    joey forgot how to throw during his time off


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