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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Kc61 View Post
    Two responses. If you're talking BB to K rate, then Francisco suffers by the low number of walks. My point is that he compensates for the walks, in part, but clearly his walks are low. I'd rather look at K to at bat rates.

    Also, looking at JF's minor league career numbers is, IMO, not a very fair measure. His first full year at Dayton he fanned over 160 times as I recall. That year skews his numbers. He then dramatically improved the last two seasons.

    Compare his K/at bat rates for the last two seasons and his numbers are far more favorable.
    I already mentioned the .21 this year. Even the .21 would be second-worst in all the majors right now of qualified players. So even ignoring what he's done in the past, his rate is still almost twice as low as guys like Dunn, Reynolds, Howard, etc.

    Your point was his lower strikeout totals compensate for the lack of walks somewhat. But since BB-K ratio uses only those two numbers, this suggests that's not the case at all. In fact, he's faring even worse when looking at these two numbers in isolation.

    The strikeouts are still on the high side. They're not problematic, but short of improving his walk rate, the guy will definitely have to continue to cut down on them even more if he wants to be successful. If he does either (or both), no doubt about it - he will be one of arguably the best sluggers in the game. But he does definitely need to do at least one or the other.
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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    92 pitches.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Tim Byrdak in.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Ground ball to third...Kepp airmails it to Berkman. Ruled an error.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Adam Rosales pinch running.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Bruce takes the free pass. 1st & 2nd with 0 outs. Wlad up.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    MAN! What a catch! Wlad tosses his bat and it goes PAST the dugout...fan snags it.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    We may have a full out Louisville squad out there soon, LOL

    Great catch by the guy in the crowd!
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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Wlad ends up whiffing.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Juan pops out to Bourne. 2 down. Hanigan up.

    ~edit~ Tatum Ph'ing. Flies out to right to end the inning.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Wow, we haven't had a big blowout game since...oh, like Tuesday or Wednesday so I guess we were due for another one, LOL
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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    I wonder what kind of numbers Votto would've put up had he not missed a month of playing time
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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    I think Hanigan just gave the security guy a bat for the fan in the crowd. That's cool.
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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp View Post
    I already mentioned the .21 this year. Even the .21 would be second-worst in all the majors right now of qualified players. So even ignoring what he's done in the past, his rate is still almost twice as low as guys like Dunn, Reynolds, Howard, etc.

    Your point was his lower strikeout totals compensate for the lack of walks somewhat. But since BB-K ratio uses only those two numbers, this suggests that's not the case at all. In fact, he's faring even worse when looking at these two numbers in isolation.

    The strikeouts are still on the high side. They're not problematic, but short of improving his walk rate, the guy will definitely have to continue to cut down on them even more if he wants to be successful. If he does either (or both), no doubt about it - he will be one of arguably the best sluggers in the game. But he does definitely need to do at least one or the other.
    I guess I don't entirely follow your first two paragraphs, sorry.

    Appreciate your thoughts. Obviously, we'll see how he does against big league pitching.

    Overall, I think his contact rate for this type of hitter is relatively high and affords Francisco - given his huge power - to be a big time hitter. How it works out, we'll see.

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    Re: 9/25: Reds vs Astros

    Quote Originally Posted by Degenerate39 View Post
    I wonder what kind of numbers Votto would've put up had he not missed a month of playing time
    Wow, those numbers could have been scary good. IMO, he was very likely to be an All Star before he went on the DL. I'm sure it didn't matter much to him (especially at the time) but boy what that would have done for the Reds to get him on the All Star team for the NL where guys like Pujols, Fielder, and Gonzalez seem to rule 1B.
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