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    Francisco vs. Rolen

    Small sample size, absolutely.

    But Francisco is currently OPSing 1.025, while Rolen is scuffling along at 0.454.

    Given that Francisco's career MLB OPS is 0.857, his fast start doesn't seem to be too much of an aberration.

    While after last season's OPS of 0.676, Rolen's slow start looks ominous indeed.

    Did having Rolen around for another lost season cause Walt to royally screw up in this case by trading Juan because of an extra 10-15 pounds?

    Francisco and Frazier would have made a very nice little 3B platoon.

    I'd have been more than fine with the drop-off in defense for the significantly better offensive production.

    But, I do understand. Rolen practically invented the game so it would have been sacrilegious to sit/release him.
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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    True it would have made good platoon but who's to say Juan would be doing that here.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Dont miss francisco at all.

    Rather see ROlen come around and Frazier get better. Francisco is not going to be anything. YOu can keep watching him all you want.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    Dont miss francisco at all.

    Rather see ROlen come around and Frazier get better. Francisco is not going to be anything. YOu can keep watching him all you want.
    He might end up like a left handed Wily Mo Pena, but he could also go the other way. I doubt he won't amount to anything.

    The guy can hit. We'll just have to see if he can hit once pitchers have a better understanding of his tendencies.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    ^^^ Ill politely disagree. He wont amount to even an avg. MLB player. Say no better than Hanigans career statistics. Honestly doubt hes even in the league for two more years.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    I'm almost positive us dumping Francisco had nothing to do with his ability as a player.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray View Post
    I'm almost positive us dumping Francisco had nothing to do with his ability as a player.
    ummm what else would it be about. He was surely not due for a big Pay increase. And we got next to nothing in return sooooo.....

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    ummm what else would it be about. He was surely not due for a big Pay increase. And we got next to nothing in return sooooo.....
    Attitude and options...he had a poor one and was out of the other..

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    .170AVG 4R 0HR 3RBI

    VS

    .286 AVG 5R 3HR 7RBI (in half the at bats)


    old school

    Edwin Encarnacion
    .323 AVG 9R 4HR 13 RBI

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    .170AVG 4R 0HR 3RBI

    VS

    .286 AVG 5R 3HR 7RBI (in half the at bats)


    old school

    Edwin Encarnacion
    .323 AVG 9R 4HR 13 RBI
    who is that?

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by Krawhitham View Post
    .170AVG 4R 0HR 3RBI
    VS
    .286 AVG 5R 3HR 7RBI (in half the at bats)
    old school
    Edwin Encarnacion
    .323 AVG 9R 4HR 13 RBI
    Hoover could turn out to be a decent reliever, but that doesn't begin to take the sting out of the disparity of these numbers, which could be downright abysmal by season's end.

    And I'm not suggesting Juan F. is going to OPS over 1.000 this year.

    But all he has to do is stay at his career OPS to crush Rolen's production.
    Last edited by malcontent; 04-23-2012 at 02:54 PM.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Rolen is easily one of my favorite Reds.

    That being said, he seems to have "jumped the shark" as a player. And what will he look like when he starts to get worn down?

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    ^^^ Ill politely disagree. He wont amount to even an avg. MLB player. Say no better than Hanigans career statistics. Honestly doubt hes even in the league for two more years.
    Just curious because you tried to take me to task in the Willie Harris conversation. But what are you basing this on?

    Hanigan and Francisco could not have a more different approach to the plate. That is literally such a stretch to even suggest you should compare their statistics, that I'm candidly interested in why that example popped into your head.

    Francisco is a free-swinging power hitter with high strikeout numbers while Hanigan is almost the mirror opposite of that. His numbers will be different than Hanigan's, period. They would never comparably overlap in any significant peripheral hitting metric.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Somewhere nux fan is having a good old laugh. Francisco for Hoover could turn out to be a very bad trade for the Reds in the long run.

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    Re: Francisco vs. Rolen

    Quote Originally Posted by bmwreds31 View Post
    who is that?

    .286 AVG 5R 3HR 7RBI is Juan Francisco's line on the year. The one who "wont amount to even an avg. MLB player" as you remarked.

    Good thing he'll be out of the league in less than two years, though. We won't have to worry about that.


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