Todd Coffey is a Joke!

[Dracodave]

But Coffey induced two ground balls...

Yeah I know. I just wanted to get the debate into grounds that wasn't so blantatly out there. Such as "Coffey sucks! Lets DFA him!"

I was just stating an opinion. Thanks for heavy responses though.

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It wasn't even an amazing hit. It was a bouncing ball that was in the exact spot it had to be to get through.

I said amazing hit for that reason alone. It was luck, which makes it pretty amazing considering the range of Edwin and Gonzo.

Like I said thanks for the responses.

[mroby85]

Good lord (nothing to you, Razor!)... this kind of stuff happens in this game called baseball? You mean this has also happened to Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver and Roger Clemens too? This stuff, a bouncer that gets through the infield, is a part of this game called baseball?!!? I was reading posts in this thread and thought stuff like this only happened to Todd Coffey. I was ready to write Bud Selig and ask him to put Todd on the permanently ineligible list for this transgression. Color me shocked. I guess I and some other posters have a lot to learn about this game called baseball.

problem is todd coffey is not of the same caliber, and i think that's pretty obvious.

[M2]

problem is todd coffey is not of the same caliber, and i think that's pretty obvious.

It's true. When Roger Clemens gives up a grounder that finds a hole, it's qualitatively better than when Todd Coffey does it.

I remember seeing Seaver surrender a roller through the right side back in 1979 in a game agaisnt the Padres and thinking to myself "You'll never see it done better than that." It's 28 years later and that's still the case.

[mroby85]

i honestly do find it more tolerable when it comes from a guy that doesn't do it as often. it may have the same effect in that same particular moment, but when you do it over and over it becomes more frustrating. we aren't talking about one incident.

[rotnoid]

It's true. When Roger Clemens gives up a grounder that finds a hole, it's qualitatively better than when Todd Coffey does it.

I remember seeing Seaver surrender a roller through the right side back in 1979 in a game agaisnt the Padres and thinking to myself "You'll never see it done better than that." It's 28 years later and that's still the case.

To be fair, Nolan Ryan did pitch 7 no hitters. I'm sure he just didn't have high caliber stuff the other 800 games he pitched in.

[redsmetz]

See here's the problem. Way back in the day, Wee Willie Keeller came up with the now age old axiom "hit it where they ain't" - ever since batters have been besetting pitchers according to old Willie. Oh the tragedy!

[AtomicDumpling]

Let's assume for a moment that Todd Coffey really is a joke. Does it help anything to come on here and whine like a sissy about it?

It would be better to make a post describing the problem and then give one or more suggestions about how the situation could be improved or how it could have been handled better.

Let's give mroby85 a chance to describe what he would do if he were in charge.

Would you release Todd Coffey and bring up a minor leaguer to pitch in those situations? Would you trade him to the Nationals for Felipe Lopez? Would you have left Arroyo in to keep pitching after he allowed the two hits to start the inning after already throwing over 100 pitches? Would you have left the infield back so that grounder wouldn't have leaked through? Would you have advised Coffey to throw a different pitch in that situation? Would you have sent to the bullpen for Burton or Weathers instead of Coffey?

Insightful comments and cogent observations are much more interesting to read and debate than sour-grapes complaining is.

I am not normally a fan of Narron's handling of the pitching staff, but in this case I thought he made the correct decision to bring in Coffey in that situation (although I would not have had Arroyo start the inning in the first place). Coffey failed to get us out of the inning unscathed, but I thought the pitch was a tough pitch to hit. DeRosa was able to get the bat on it and was fortunate enough to see it find a hole. It was a good pitch from Coffey, but DeRosa was good enough to eke out a basehit.

Sometimes good pitches get hit. I remember last year Joel Zumaya threw a blazing fastball to Griffey low in the zone at 102MPH -- a fantastic pitch. But Griffey hit it over the outfield wall anyway.

[dougdirt]

i honestly do find it more tolerable when it comes from a guy that doesn't do it as often. it may have the same effect in that same particular moment, but when you do it over and over it becomes more frustrating. we aren't talking about one incident.

And yet, over the entire course of the season Todd Coffey has shown to be a good pitcher. So when July rolls around and his ERA is again under 4.00, will you still be around to say 'another good outting by Todd last night'?

[sonny]

So an Italian, a parrot and Todd Coffey walk into a bar...

[RedFanAlways1966]

i honestly do find it more tolerable when it comes from a guy that doesn't do it as often. it may have the same effect in that same particular moment, but when you do it over and over it becomes more frustrating. we aren't talking about one incident.

Not sure of the definition of over and over, but I'll try to supply some facts. In 2006 Todd Coffey...

* Came into a game with at least one runner in scoring position 15 times. The other team scored in 5 of those games.
* Came into a game with at least one runner in scoring position and less than two outs 11 times. The other team scored in 3 of those games.

Of course Todd Coffey is not used just in situations in the middle of an inning when runners are on base. He appeared in 81 games. He pitched at least 1 inning in 54 of those games. He might not be perfect (few are). But for a guy in his 2nd full season at a tad above $400K, he doesn't do too bad. Compared to some of the other arms this team has experienced in the bullpen in recent years and a game when the REDS offense only managed three lousy hits in the game... I find it hard to pick on Coffey for a bouncing ball that got through.

The first loss is always hard to take each year. I didn't like it. But I found lots of other things to get upset about... bases loaded bunt gaffe, going 3-0 on Isturitz with the bases loaded, 3 hits by the offense. Had Coffey mowed them down the REDS looked like they would have still lost. Unless you believe in that mentality crap thing. If so, someone should talk about the hitting mentality of the team in innings 1 through 5.

[Chip R]

Would you trade him to the Nationals for Felipe Lopez?

Only if Felipe had had super secret shoulder pain and the Nats didn't tell us about it.

[MrCinatit]

I'd be pretty happy if we kept this sucky guy for a long, long time; and had more sucky guys just like him.

[mroby85]

And yet, over the entire course of the season Todd Coffey has shown to be a good pitcher. So when July rolls around and his ERA is again under 4.00, will you still be around to say 'another good outting by Todd last night'?

I hope he does do well, im a diehard reds fan through and through, but in reality i don't think he's a very good pitcher. however, based on the replies around here, all i would have to say if he does get out of the jam is that they hit the ball hard and he got lucky, because you're considering the hit off of him last night luck.

[redsmetz]

sheesh - 1 2 3 inning - what a joke! We're not getting our money's worth from this clown!

[mound_patrol]

i dont even know why we throw him...getting 1,2,3 innings like that
just pathetic. Good Job Coffey. Really wish we had more guys like him