Right. Dudes need to put down their iPads or step away from the PC for a while and actually watch baseball.Originally Posted by Tom Servo
Right. Dudes need to put down their iPads or step away from the PC for a while and actually watch baseball.
Rounding third and heading for home...
I don't mind signing players who are approaching or in their 30s to extensions. My adage is that you don't pay a player in his 30s for the production he gave in his 20s.
Empathy is about standing in someone else's shoes, feeling with his or her heart, seeing with his or her eyes. Not only is empathy hard to outsource and automate, but it makes the world a better place.
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Chip R (06-08-2016),Revering4Blue (06-07-2016)
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/06/...ay-bruce-next/
When the teams discussed a deal in spring training, the Reds were adamant about the White Sox taking at least $11 million of the $12.5 million due on Bruce’s contract. The chances of Chicago giving up shortstop Tim Anderson or right-hander Carson Fulmer, their top prospects, are close to zero this season.
Hoping to change my username to 75769026
REDREAD (06-08-2016)
Sorta disappointing that they wouldn't be looking to eat more salary to get a better prospect. Just another avenue to invest in the farm.
Edd Roush (06-08-2016)
Pretty sure there was a report stating the Reds were gonna eat a whole bunch of his salary in the trade to the Jays that fell through.
REDREAD (06-08-2016)
I keep reading Jay Bruce at 29 has no place on the Reds in 2018 but no one brings up Adam Duvall will turn 28 later this season. Does Duvall who has had 1 good month so far fit into 2018 plans just curious.
_Sir_Charles_ (06-08-2016)
Has nothing to do with age and everything to do with contract. Adam Duvall is cheaply cost controlled for the foreseeable future. Bruce is a free agent after next year.
REDREAD (06-08-2016),thatcoolguy_22 (06-09-2016),Wonderful Monds (06-08-2016)
My question is really is Adam Duvall just in a hot streak, while the book on him is still being written? Or at 27 1/2 and finally getting a chance the real thing? I'm surprised every time he gets a fastball, he still seems to struggle against off speed pitching and most pitches that have break to them, just call me still skeptical he can continue to hit as he has, hopefully he proves me wrong.
Pretty Simple. Bruce will not be 29 in 2018, he'll be 31 with deteriorating skills (see defense), some recent history of injury, consistently inconsistent and the there's the nettling fact that he'll cost you $10-12m/yr. (IF YOU'RE LUCKY). Yes, Duvall will be 30, but he won't be Arb-eligible until 2019 or FA-eligible until 2022. If all of this is a mirage, he'll be cheap enough for bench-duty or even to jettison if need be.
Chuckie (06-08-2016)
If Duvall is not the real deal, then you find another answer that is not an aging, expensive Jay Bruce. Possibly in the first couple of rounds of this year's draft.
My guess is Duvall is having his age 27 season this year.
Empathy is about standing in someone else's shoes, feeling with his or her heart, seeing with his or her eyes. Not only is empathy hard to outsource and automate, but it makes the world a better place.
-- Daniel H. Pink
If they would eat the remainder of his contract and send back a Peter/Wheeler package I'd take it. Would much rather have Clark than Wheeler but I don't see the Sox parting with him
Duvall didn't have a good month, he had an incredible one. And has been good thus far in June. (Wasn't bad in April either.)
To answer your question, yes, Duvall absolutely fits in the plans in 2018. His floor is a very good bench player, something the Reds do a horrible job of finding. His ceiling is that of an everyday LF that can mash 30-35 HRs per year. Oh, and he comes very cheap, at least for the next couple years. And then he's still under team control for 3 years (relatively cheap) after that). He's been the second-biggest highlight of the rebuilding process thus far, right behind Cody Reed who has assented to one of the top 25 prospects in all of baseball.
Royals are offering Yordano Ventura in trades:
Bruce for Ventura?Last night’s plunking of Manny Machado was the latest in a line of questionable actions from Royals righty Yordano Ventura, and Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports writes that his attitude is wearing thin on the Kansas City organization. Indeed, per the report, executives from at least two other teams say that the Royals have offered to deal Ventura away within the last month.
Expectations had been that the now-25-year-old with the high-octane fastball would be entrenched in the K.C. staff for years to come. After all, the club inked him to a five-year, $23MM extension before the start of the 2015 season. That deal also includes two option years valued at $12MM apiece.
Empathy is about standing in someone else's shoes, feeling with his or her heart, seeing with his or her eyes. Not only is empathy hard to outsource and automate, but it makes the world a better place.
-- Daniel H. Pink
Doesn't everybody's?
For me, this is the deciding factor...will a trade of Bruce improve the Reds? This year or in the near future? To me, the answer is no or "maybe". The money isn't really an issue to be honest. The team payroll is quite low and there aren't any raises of any significance coming any time soon. Draft/trade for some young hitters and give them time to develop. In the meantime, Jay fills the void quite nice.
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